Re: [Aus-soaring] [gfaforum] DIana 2

2016-09-20 Thread Peter Champness
thanks On Tue, Sep 20, 2016 at 7:13 PM, Matthew Gage wrote: > The pylon raises from the back of the bay. The motor pivots on the pylon > so the thrust axis is always horizontal. > > See https://www.facebook.com/gpgliders/videos for a number of clips of > the motor in action. > > > On 20 Sep 2016

Re: [Aus-soaring] [gfaforum] DIana 2

2016-09-20 Thread Matthew Gage
The pylon raises from the back of the bay. The motor pivots on the pylon so the thrust axis is always horizontal. See https://www.facebook.com/gpgliders/videos for a number of clips of the motor in action. > On 20 Sep 2016, at 19:04 , Peter Champness wrote: > > Any good links? > I found a sc

Re: [Aus-soaring] [gfaforum] DIana 2

2016-09-20 Thread Peter Champness
Any good links? I found a schematic diagram which indicates that the motor has a pusher folding prop. Not sure how it retracts and fits in the fuselage with the blades sticking up? On Tue, Sep 20, 2016 at 6:46 PM, Mike Borgelt < mborg...@borgeltinstruments.com> wrote: > Yes, Matt. > > Mainly th

Re: [Aus-soaring] [gfaforum] DIana 2

2016-09-20 Thread Mike Borgelt
Yes, Matt. Mainly that the limited diameter of the prop limits prop efficiency. In the chain Battery->motor->prop-> useful thrust, prop efficiency is the single largest loss. You'll get around 50% at the power/diameter/airspeeds we are dealing with here. More blades aren't necessarily better

Re: [Aus-soaring] [gfaforum] DIana 2

2016-09-19 Thread Richard Frawley
, this will be my > only post on this subject! Please do not even try to draw me out with your > usual invective. It simply will not work. I know you too well! > My prediction, Mike, is that within 10 years, FES will out sell all other > “lets not land out” systems. And it will be easil

Re: [Aus-soaring] [gfaforum] DIana 2

2016-09-19 Thread Matthew Scutter
t; only post on this subject! Please do not even try to draw me out with your > usual invective. It simply will not work. I know you too well! > My prediction, Mike, is that within 10 years, FES will out sell all other > “lets not land out” systems. And it will be easily retro fit table to just > a

Re: [Aus-soaring] [gfaforum] DIana 2

2016-09-19 Thread Richard Frawley
ll be easily retro fit table to just > about anything.! > Lets just agree to wait and see if you or me is correct! > > > Regards > Bob Ward. > > > > From: Mike Borgelt <mailto:mborg...@borgeltinstruments.com> > Sent: Monday, September 19, 2016 10

Re: [Aus-soaring] [gfaforum] DIana 2

2016-09-19 Thread Bob Ward
be easily retro fit table to just about anything.! Lets just agree to wait and see if you or me is correct! Regards Bob Ward. From: Mike Borgelt Sent: Monday, September 19, 2016 10:40 AM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] [gfaforum] DIa

Re: [Aus-soaring] [gfaforum] DIana 2

2016-09-18 Thread Mike Borgelt
You'll get about 1 Kw of solar panels on the roof of a trailer. You might average 500 watts unless you tilt them to face the sun and move them every couple of hours from sunrise to when you fly. Say 6 hours and 800 watts average. Might just do a 4Kw-hour battery in a Silent. Assuming clear sky

Re: [Aus-soaring] [gfaforum] DIana 2

2016-09-18 Thread DMcD
>>I think it was the first PRODUCTION electric SLG. See WIDOLA of that year. There was an electric Silent 1 for sale in around 2007. The Antares was the first heavyweight production glider. From memory, the original Silent had a pylon mounted motor. So far as solar panels go at night… most flying

Re: [Aus-soaring] [gfaforum] DIana 2

2016-09-18 Thread Richard Frawley
you just put nice bright lights on the solar panels at night…simple :-) > On 19 Sep 2016, at 10:24 AM, DMcD wrote: > > HA, > > There's an interesting article in the current S&G about a casual comp > done in Italy, flown with the Silent Electro. Was this the world's > first electric SLG? I kno

Re: [Aus-soaring] [gfaforum] DIana 2

2016-09-18 Thread Mike Borgelt
LOL! Good point. You might need a Honda generator running most of the night. Yep, clean green motorgliding. Lange Antares has been around for a while. I think it was the first PRODUCTION electric SLG. Uses some Saft V44 Li-ion cells. 72 of them I think. Lots of very careful cell management i

Re: [Aus-soaring] [gfaforum] DIana 2

2016-09-18 Thread David Holmes
Umm. I believe solar panels don't work so well overnight. Not in australia anyway 😜 Kind Regards David Holmes Sent from my iPhone 0439 734 646 > On 19 Sep 2016, at 10:24, DMcD wrote: > > HA, > > There's an interesting article in the current S&G about a casual comp > done in Italy, flown wi

Re: [Aus-soaring] [gfaforum] DIana 2

2016-09-18 Thread DMcD
HA, There's an interesting article in the current S&G about a casual comp done in Italy, flown with the Silent Electro. Was this the world's first electric SLG? I know it proceeded things like the Antares by almost a decade. Anyway, the innovation with the comp was that they were allowed to use t

Re: [Aus-soaring] [gfaforum] DIana 2

2016-09-18 Thread Richard Frawley
competition sites will need to reticulate power and water loss of tug fees may be a issue, but what is the profit per comp on average for fees on a fully costed model? I assume electric self launchers are quieter? > On 18 Sep 2016, at 10:24 AM, Mike Borgelt > wrote: > > Even with the new

Re: [Aus-soaring] [gfaforum] DIana 2

2016-09-17 Thread Mike Borgelt
Even with the new battery tech you'll only get about 1 hour endurance at cruise power (65%)if you replace the Rotax and max (optional 31.7 US gallons) fuel. Nice self launcher with good retrieve capability but you lose the "travelling motor glider" bit. With electric it is probably not optim

Re: [Aus-soaring] [gfaforum] DIana 2

2016-09-17 Thread Richard Frawley
I did read last week that Apple are testing new Lipo anode design right now that gives twice current capacity at same weight and size. > On 18 Sep 2016, at 5:54 AM, Simon Hackett wrote: > > “What he said” - I’m curious about that too. > > Brand, $$, availability, and (importantly, also) si

Re: [Aus-soaring] [gfaforum] DIana 2

2016-09-17 Thread Simon Hackett
“What he said” - I’m curious about that too. Brand, $$, availability, and (importantly, also) size? My long term dream is to throw the Rotax 914F out of my Stemme and replace it with batteries and an electric motor, and if a combination of both existed that had roughly the same total mass, th

Re: [Aus-soaring] [gfaforum] DIana 2

2016-09-17 Thread Peter Champness
What new battery technology is that? On Sat, Sep 17, 2016 at 5:57 PM, Mike Borgelt < mborg...@borgeltinstruments.com> wrote: > There is also a GP15 15 meter version under construction. Same fuselage as > the 13.5 M version. Nicer looking than the Diana 2. > The wing sure looks similar to that on

Re: [Aus-soaring] [gfaforum] DIana 2

2016-09-17 Thread Christopher McDonnell
: [Aus-soaring] [gfaforum] DIana 2 There is also a GP15 15 meter version under construction. Same fuselage as the 13.5 M version. Nicer looking than the Diana 2. The wing sure looks similar to that on a Diana 2 but with winglets. The 13.5 M version wing weighs 31 Kg each side. Easy to rig by one

Re: [Aus-soaring] [gfaforum] DIana 2

2016-09-17 Thread Mike Borgelt
There is also a GP15 15 meter version under construction. Same fuselage as the 13.5 M version. Nicer looking than the Diana 2. The wing sure looks similar to that on a Diana 2 but with winglets. The 13.5 M version wing weighs 31 Kg each side. Easy to rig by one person. The 15M looks to be a ser

Re: [Aus-soaring] [gfaforum] DIana 2

2016-09-16 Thread Matthew Scutter
The glider Ron is referring to, is the GP14 Velo http://www.gpgliders.com/ , which is still under construction as far as I know, and nothing to do with the Diana 2. The Diana 2 is type certified, as of last year. https://www.easa.europa.eu/system/files/dfu/TCDS_A_451_SZD-56_Diana_issue_02.pdf The