Re: [Aus-soaring] Spin training

2014-12-26 Thread Mike Borgelt
On my Salto it was the vario pointer that waved around when the flow breakaway from the wing roots impinged on the TE probe aft of the canopy. The ASI was useless when spinning or sideslipping also in that glider. As the brakes were weak sideslipping was sometimes necessary as an approach con

Re: [Aus-soaring] Spin training

2014-12-26 Thread Anthony Smith
You probably could do something very easily for modern non-flapped gliders. AoA indicators have been around for a long time. You could have three critical angles annotated on the device display: stall, climb and cruise. Flapped gliders would need to have a method of knowing what the flap defl

Re: [Aus-soaring] Spin training

2014-12-26 Thread Mike Borgelt
Good point, I'll get to that later today. The interesting thing about the report is the differences between what the factory found and wrote up in the flight manual and what the USAF found. Mike > On 27 Dec 2014, at 7:58 am, Michael Derry wrote: > > The report reminds us how useless the ASI

Re: [Aus-soaring] Spin training

2014-12-26 Thread Michael Derry
The report reminds us how useless the ASI is during spins. You are better off judging speed using the noise levels assessed by your ears. Why hasn't some instrument maker built a better mousetrap than the one we have ? On Sat, 27 Dec 2014 08:56:09 +1030 "Ulrich Stauss" wrote: > This is a multip

Re: [Aus-soaring] Spin training

2014-12-26 Thread Ulrich Stauss
http://faculty.chicagobooth.edu/john.cochrane/research/Data_and_Programs/CFI/AFFTC-TR-89-27%20Spin%20Test.pdf Ulrich From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Ron Sanders Sent: Saturday, 27 December 2014 08:44 To: Disc

Re: [Aus-soaring] Spin training

2014-12-26 Thread Ron Sanders
Bernard, good morning, i would lke o read that report too please? Ron On 27 December 2014 at 08:18, Bernhard wrote: > Hello Paul, good morning all > > You might be interested to know that the US Air Force has already been > using the ASK21 for spin training over several > decades. > > Therefor

Re: [Aus-soaring] Santa's difficulties

2014-12-26 Thread Ron Sanders
"toe" the line On 27 December 2014 at 07:18, Brian Bailey wrote: > Hi James > Santa was still distressed about this issue when he arrived at my place. > Good news though! Budgetary constraints have been swept aside and Cold > Weather Gear is being added to the CASA closet (this has been welcome

Re: [Aus-soaring] Spin training

2014-12-26 Thread Bernhard
> Hello Paul, good morning all > > You might be interested to know that the US Air Force has already been using > the ASK21 for spin training over several > decades. > > Therefore you might want to refer to a report by the US Air Force on the spin > characteristics of the ASK 21. It was done

[Aus-soaring] Santa's difficulties

2014-12-26 Thread Brian Bailey
Hi James Santa was still distressed about this issue when he arrived at my place. Good news though! Budgetary constraints have been swept aside and Cold Weather Gear is being added to the CASA closet (this has been welcomed by CASA smokers who will be allowed use of the CWG on their excursions to

Re: [Aus-soaring] Spin training

2014-12-26 Thread Daryl Mackay
Hi Paul, Detailed response sent to your personal email address just now. Kind regards, Daryl ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus

Re: [Aus-soaring] Spin training

2014-12-26 Thread Paul Bart
On 26 December 2014 at 19:33, Daryl Mackay wrote: Suffice to say no instructor willingly uses the ASK21 for spin awareness > training at Beverley. ​Hi Daryl Would you mind explaining why? This is a genuine inquiry as my club is about to take a delivery of one.​ ​Cheers Paul​ Cheers Pa

Re: [Aus-soaring] Stalls,Spins

2014-12-26 Thread Mike Borgelt
The thing that causes a wing to stall (and subsequently perhaps to spin) is that it meets the air at greater than the stalling angle. All subsonic thin wings, flown at speeds where compressibility is not an issue(below about 200 knots) stall at around 15 degrees angle of attack (the angle at whi

[Aus-soaring] Spin training

2014-12-26 Thread Daryl Mackay
Sorry for this long response but I am passionate about this issue and some clarifications are necessary. It is only true that most spins can be prevented if 1.5Vs is maintained. A mishandled entry of more than 1 "G" steady is possible at much higher speeds. (E.g. Mishandling and Snap rolls) Many