Good point, I'll get to that later today.
The interesting thing about the report is the differences between what the 
factory found and wrote up in the flight manual and what the USAF found.

Mike



> On 27 Dec 2014, at 7:58 am, Michael Derry <de...@primus.com.au> wrote:
> 
> The report reminds us how useless the ASI is during spins. You are
> better off judging speed using the noise levels assessed by your ears.
> 
> Why hasn't some instrument maker built a better mousetrap than the one
> we have ?
> 
> On Sat, 27 Dec 2014 08:56:09 +1030
> "Ulrich Stauss" <usta...@internode.on.net> wrote:
> 
>> This is a multipart message in MIME format.
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>> http://faculty.chicagobooth.edu/john.cochrane/research/Data_and_Programs/CFI/AFFTC-TR-89-27%20Spin%20Test.pdf
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Ulrich
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net 
>> [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Ron Sanders
>> Sent: Saturday, 27 December 2014 08:44
>> To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.
>> Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Spin training
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Bernard,  good morning, i would lke o read that report too please?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Ron
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 27 December 2014 at 08:18, Bernhard <ec...@internode.on.net> wrote:
>> 
>> Hello Paul, good morning all
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> You might be interested to know that the US Air Force has already been using 
>> the ASK21 for spin training over several 
>> 
>> decades.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Therefore you might want to refer to a report by the US Air Force on the 
>> spin characteristics of the ASK 21. It was done 
>> 
>>   by experts in the field and true professionals. When you read the report 
>> you will find that it was perhaps the most 
>> 
>>   comprehensive study into the subject ever done. 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> To save you digging around I have attached a copy for you!
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Kind regards to all
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Bernard 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 26 Dec 2014, at 10:05 pm, Paul Bart <pb2...@gmail.com 
>> <mailto:pb2...@gmail.com> > wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 26 December 2014 at 19:33, Daryl Mackay <darylmac...@gmail.com 
>> <mailto:darylmac...@gmail.com> > wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Suffice to say no instructor willingly uses the ASK21 for spin awareness 
>> training at Beverley.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> ​Hi Daryl
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Would you mind explaining why? This is a genuine inquiry as my club is about 
>> to take a delivery of one.​
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> ​Cheers
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Paul​
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Cheers
>> 
>> Paul
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