I have had concerns with the GFA being involved in investigations, it
being both a regulator/standard setter and a quasi fraternal association.
Conflict of interest? Position to protect? That is why I asked.
For myself I would hope that the tenor of any involvement by the GFA
would be
Well said, much better than I could of.
Best Regards,
Mike Durrant
VH-FQF/OD
On 27/04/2012, at 6:27 PM, Terry Neumann tfneum...@internode.on.net wrote:
I have had concerns with the GFA being involved in investigations, it being
both a regulator/standard setter and a quasi fraternal
not contribute much.
Regards,
Gary
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I have had concerns with the GFA being involved
: [Aus-soaring] GFA Site/accident
I have had concerns with the GFA being involved in investigations, it
being both a regulator/standard setter and a quasi fraternal association.
Conflict of interest? Position to protect? That is why I asked.
For myself I would hope
Thank you Terry
On another side topic I notice Brad Edwards and Bruce Taylor are flying new
model JS1s in the worlds in USA and are flying them in Open Class!!! I
wonder what the improvements are - unfortunately I am not in the loop! Both
have flown other gliders recently so it is a very
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Hi Mike (and others!)
You have hit the nail on the head
At 09:14 AM 28/04/2012, you wrote:
Bernard,
As a Scheicher owner and customer of yours I must comment on the JS1.
Although I agree they may have borrowed some design points, the
wing and some of the glider is original.
They perform well and seem to be finely built.
From what I have heard
I have to agree with a lot of your comments Terry, but the law will
not differentiate from or favour 'the volunteer sector' or any other.
Nemo iudex in causa sua The rule is very strictly applied to any
appearance of a possible bias, even if there is actually none:
Justice must not only
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Hi Mike, Mike Borgelt in particular, and All,
Very nicely put.
I note in particular your comment ...and the amount of knowledge
download program.
Peter
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Date: Thu, Apr 26, 2012 14:25
Could also
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Matt, Some good stuff there. Another thing that can work against a
pilot is getting QNE
At 04:39 PM 26/04/2012, you wrote:
I had a similar problem accessing a trace after doing a altitude
calibration on a volkslogger. No GPS signal obviously whilst in the
calibration chamber.
Strepla wouldn't recognise the trace saying that nothing was on the logger.
Tried SeeYou and it worked
At 04:34 PM 26/04/2012, you wrote:
Hi Gary,
You said:
If you are particularly observant, you will note that neither
Wombat nor I, have mentioned the GFA in this context. Legally they
do not have a role. In practice they are generally requested to
supply expert advice to the Investigating
was based on that very
point.
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At 04:34 PM 26/04/2012, you wrote:
Hi Gary
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At 11:22 PM 25/04/2012, you wrote:
Gliders, in comparison to say modern airliners are relatively simple
machines - just ask the boys in South Africa who developed the
JS1.They are reputed to have put in over 70,000 total hours to get to
official Type
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At 11:22 PM 25/04/2012, you wrote:
Gliders, in comparison to say modern airliners are relatively simple
machines - just ask the boys in South Africa who developed the
JS1.They are reputed to have put in over 70,000 total hours to get to
official Type Approval
On 27/04/2012 1:54 AM, ec...@internode.on.net wrote:
The South African based manufacturer has circumvented this process by
'certifying' his glider in Africa. This, of course, is nowhere near as
costly, time consuming and rigerous as EASA and FAA certification.
Consequently it reduces the
, 23 April 2012 4:17
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Re accident prevention, in this instance we will have to wait on the
Coroner's report
The various routes an investigation may (or may not) take are pretty clearly
laid out by Mike Cleaver. It's been that way for quite a while but it is a
great inhibitor to learning from the various events. With clubs reluctant or
unable to carry out their own detailed investigation (whether
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John and others
The ATSB has a system for classifying accidents and incidents - see on their
web site http://www.atsb.gov.au/about_atsb/investigation
I recall a simular accident around 1985 - 1986 at Camden a IS28 B2 with student
(Anthony Kenyon) and instructor (Ian Nance) guess lesson learnt by another
persons error, was settled out of court (Supreme)
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John and others
The ATSB has a system for classifying accidents and incidents - see on their
web site http://www.atsb.gov.au/about_atsb/investigation-procedures.aspx
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Hi Mike, Mike Borgelt in particular, and All,
Very nicely put.
I note in particular your comment ...and the amount of knowledge gained
from NZ investigations
Hi All
The RAA, and other air sport bodies including the GFA (with two
participants) were involved in an air crash investigation course in
April 2006 run by the ATSB in Canberra.
The ATSB is primarily concerned with TRANSPORT safety and as wombat
explained in his post, not that involved with
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air sport bodies including the GFA (with two participants) were involved in
an air crash investigation
I suspect you already know the answer, so why ask the question? If you wanted
to know that why not ring GFA? I doubt that anyone from GFA will answer in
this forum even though I suspect 'they' monitor it. So, jump away!
Jump away? That's rather against the concept of getting one's facts
: Wednesday, April 25, 2012 4:40 PM
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John and others
The ATSB has a system for classifying accidents and incidents - see on their
web site http://www.atsb.gov.au/about_atsb/investigation-procedures.aspx and
http://www.atsb.gov.au/about_atsb
While it is understandable to look at accidents with the view to either
learn from them or be reminded about fallability; beyond the events and
factors noted by earlier emails, it is also helpful to bear trends in
mind.
This is about getting insights into wider contributors before and after.
At 11:22 PM 25/04/2012, you wrote:
Gliders, in comparison to say modern airliners are relatively simple
machines - just ask the boys in South Africa who developed the
JS1.They are reputed to have put in over 70,000 total hours to get
to official Type Approval!
I'm not sure what this has
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Gary,
I totally agree with you sentiments and from what you posted earlier, I
suspect that there would be no way
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John and others
The ATSB has a system for classifying accidents and incidents - see on their
web site http://www.atsb.gov.au/about_atsb/investigation-procedures.aspx and
http://www.atsb.gov.au/about_atsb/investigation-procedures.aspx#fn2
- the latter
4:40 PM
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John and others
The ATSB has a system for classifying accidents and incidents - see on their
web site http://www.atsb.gov.au/about_atsb/investigation-procedures.aspx and
http://www.atsb.gov.au/about_atsb/investigation-procedures.aspx#fn2
in placement of fuel shut off valve.
Ian Mcphee
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Hi Mike,
I have today found out
mcphee
Sent: Wednesday, 25 April 2012 11:12 AM
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Regretfully Coroners reports can take a long time to come out and can be a
bit of a white wash regretfully.
30 or 40 years ago there was a double
breath on this one.
Regards,
Gary
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At 10:50 PM 22/04/2012, you wrote:
Yeah. Maurice Little
Doesn't work for me either. My theory is that the change of management has
something to do with it.
Regards,
Leigh Youdale
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Doesn't work for me either. My theory is that the change of management has
something to do with it.
Regards,
Leigh Youdale
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Doesn't work for me either. My theory is that the change of management has
something to do with it.
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At 10:50 PM 22/04/2012, you wrote:
Yeah. Maurice Little is dead. Want the job?
I suggest that this thread be terminated NOW, unless you have
something positive to contribute.
Gary
Well you terminated one thread here, without good cause. What's your problem?
Have you guys figured out
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