Re: [AusNOG] [AUSNOG] Disk wear & Foucault Period

2019-08-21 Thread Paul Wilkins
Thread out. Kind regards Paul Wilkins On Thu, 22 Aug 2019 at 14:12, Matthew Moyle-Croft wrote: > I preface this by saying - “I recommend that all my competitors spend > their engineering time and effort on solving for this problem”. > > > 3 - If we figure a drive is good for 1M restarts, then

Re: [AusNOG] [AUSNOG] Disk wear & Foucault Period

2019-08-21 Thread Matthew Moyle-Croft
I preface this by saying - “I recommend that all my competitors spend their engineering time and effort on solving for this problem”. > 3 - If we figure a drive is good for 1M restarts, then you'd expect > precession to cause 0.2% of disks to fail over a 5 year lifespan So, let’s look at the Ba

Re: [AusNOG] [AUSNOG] Disk wear & Foucault Period

2019-08-21 Thread Paul Wilkins
1 - The (approx) work done by precession over 5 years = 1800 power cycles (see above) 2 - So this reduces the work you'll get out of a drive by 1800 power cycles 3 - If we figure a drive is good for 1M restarts, then you'd expect precession to cause 0.2% of disks to fail over a 5 year lifespan 4 -

Re: [AusNOG] [AUSNOG] Disk wear & Foucault Period

2019-08-21 Thread Karl Auer
On 22 Aug 2019, at 10:39 am, Paul Wilkins > > wrote: > > > > Over a disk's 5 year life, that's about 1800 power cycles. Not > > enough to kill a disk, or to even be an obvious problem, but a > > hidden and unnecessary drain on disk life and IT budgets. Except that the precession happens very gra

Re: [AusNOG] [AUSNOG] Disk wear & Foucault Period

2019-08-21 Thread Matthew Moyle-Croft
ddite atmosphere of stifling creative thought in this country now permeated > into the Technosphere…? > > > > > > > > From: AusNOG <mailto:ausnog-boun...@lists.ausnog.net>> On Behalf Of James Hodgkinson > Sent: Wednesday, 21 August 2019 6:36 PM &g

Re: [AusNOG] [AUSNOG] Disk wear & Foucault Period

2019-08-21 Thread Roy Adams
rest of us mere mortals. I’m sure that I’m not >>> the only one that found Paul’s theorising quite interesting…or has the >>> inherent Luddite atmosphere of stifling creative thought in this country >>> now permeated into the Technosphere…? >>> >>> >>> >>> >>

Re: [AusNOG] [AUSNOG] Disk wear & Foucault Period

2019-08-21 Thread Mark Smith
theorising quite interesting…or has the >>> inherent Luddite atmosphere of stifling creative thought in this country >>> now permeated into the Technosphere…? >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> *From:* AusNOG *

Re: [AusNOG] [AUSNOG] Disk wear & Foucault Period

2019-08-21 Thread Paul Wilkins
ng…or has the >>> inherent Luddite atmosphere of stifling creative thought in this country >>> now permeated into the Technosphere…? >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> *From:* AusNOG *On Behalf Of *James >>&g

Re: [AusNOG] [AUSNOG] Disk wear & Foucault Period

2019-08-21 Thread Paul Wilkins
or has the >> inherent Luddite atmosphere of stifling creative thought in this country >> now permeated into the Technosphere…? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> *From:* AusNOG *On Behalf Of *James >> Hodgkinson >> *Sent:* Wednesday, 21

Re: [AusNOG] [AUSNOG] Disk wear & Foucault Period

2019-08-21 Thread andrew khoo
permeated into the Technosphere…? > > > > > > > > *From:* AusNOG *On Behalf Of *James > Hodgkinson > *Sent:* Wednesday, 21 August 2019 6:36 PM > *To:* ausnog@lists.ausnog.net > *Subject:* Re: [AusNOG] [AUSNOG] Disk wear & Foucault Period > > > > Please stop t

Re: [AusNOG] [AUSNOG] Disk wear & Foucault Period

2019-08-21 Thread andy
inherent Luddite atmosphere of stifling creative thought in this country now permeated into the Technosphere…? From: AusNOG On Behalf Of James Hodgkinson Sent: Wednesday, 21 August 2019 6:36 PM To: ausnog@lists.ausnog.net Subject: Re: [AusNOG] [AUSNOG] Disk wear & Foucault Period Please

Re: [AusNOG] [AUSNOG] Disk wear & Foucault Period

2019-08-21 Thread James Hodgkinson
Please stop thinking out loud, this is the quiet carriage. James On Wed, 21 Aug 2019, at 17:17, Paul Wilkins wrote: > Another thought, which is that horizontal mounting is optimal for polar > regions, whereas you minimise precession at equitorial latitudes with > vertical mounting (but only if

Re: [AusNOG] [AUSNOG] Disk wear & Foucault Period

2019-08-21 Thread Paul Wilkins
Another thought, which is that horizontal mounting is optimal for polar regions, whereas you minimise precession at equitorial latitudes with vertical mounting (but only if the axis is north aligned), which could go some way to explaining the anecdotal stuff you hear about horizontal versus vertica

Re: [AusNOG] [AUSNOG] Disk wear & Foucault Period

2019-08-20 Thread Mark Smith
How is this related to network operation? AusNOG - Australian Network Operators Group. You wouldn't go to a car show to ask about motorbikes - you'd to to a motorbike show, because that's where the most people interested in and having the most knowledge about motorbikes would be. On Wed, 21 Aug 2

Re: [AusNOG] [AUSNOG] Disk wear & Foucault Period

2019-08-20 Thread Roy Adams
Paul, I would be most interested if you hear back from them. I am curious if even BackBlaze have considered your idea in the past.. maybe a wake up for them and others FYI, they produce these reports each quarter - worth calendaring to pick up. I was stunned at the 14TB Toshiba reliability... int

Re: [AusNOG] [AUSNOG] Disk wear & Foucault Period

2019-08-20 Thread Paul Wilkins
Roy, Those are the most comprehensive disk stats I've ever seen. So out of curiosity, I emailed Backblaze to ask if they'd noticed any latitudinal effect on disk wear. Not realistically expecting a response, but if they did notice a correlation, it may perhaps emerge by osmosis. Karl, I have to t

Re: [AusNOG] [AUSNOG] Disk wear & Foucault Period

2019-08-20 Thread Karl Auer
On Tue, 2019-08-20 at 16:06 +1000, Paul Wilkins wrote: > Has anyone ever noticed a pattern of disks in equatorial latitudes > lasting significantly longer than say Sydney or Melbourne? I doubt it has anything to do with the Foucault Period, but it could have a lot to do with the fact that folk in

Re: [AusNOG] [AUSNOG] Disk wear & Foucault Period

2019-08-20 Thread Roy Adams
Interesting observation, Makes me wonder where BackBlaze DC(s) are https://www.backblaze.com/blog/backblaze-hard-drive-stats-q1-2019/ Kindly, ROY ADAMS* | *P 07 3040 5010 | Web: http://www.racs.com.au/ | Wiki: https://ex.racs.com.au:444/ | eMail: mailto:r...@racs.com.au Please never upgrade t

[AusNOG] [AUSNOG] Disk wear & Foucault Period

2019-08-19 Thread Paul Wilkins
Has anyone ever noticed a pattern of disks in equatorial latitudes lasting significantly longer than say Sydney or Melbourne? I notice the Foucault Period for Brisbane is 52hrs vs Melbourne's 39hrs and can't but wonder if this doesn't mean Brisbane based DCs will have their disks last 30% longer, o