Re: [AusNOG] Government intends to pass TSSR this parliament

doesn't the election process fall under the checks and balance of absolute power corrupts absolute? Regards, Peter Tiggerdine GPG Fingerprint: 2A3F EA19 F6C2 93C1 411D 5AB2 D5A8 E8A8 0E74 6127 On Sun, Jun 18, 2017 at 10:24 AM, Robert Hudson wrote: > > > On 18 June 2017 at

Re: [AusNOG] Government intends to pass TSSR this parliament

--- new...@atdot.dotat.org wrote: From: Mark Newton Assuming bad faith is a key and essential part of democracy: Give people powerful jobs, but never, ever trust them to do them well. - Pffft! I'm going to plagiarize

Re: [AusNOG] Government intends to pass TSSR this parliament

> On Thu, Jun 15, 2017 at 6:08 AM, Paul Wilkins > wrote: > >> Thales nShield Connect provides FIPs 140-2 grade security to distributed >> hosts. Keys are distributed using an encrypted remote file system. >> >> So people advising government will be thinking of

Re: [AusNOG] Government intends to pass TSSR this parliament

On Thu, Jun 15, 2017 at 6:08 AM, Paul Wilkins wrote: > Thales nShield Connect provides FIPs 140-2 grade security to distributed > hosts. Keys are distributed using an encrypted remote file system. > > So people advising government will be thinking of architectures where

Re: [AusNOG] Government intends to pass TSSR this parliament

Thales nShield Connect provides FIPs 140-2 grade security to distributed hosts. Keys are distributed using an encrypted remote file system. So people advising government will be thinking of architectures where a government escrow server is an additional client. Give it Moore's law, technical

Re: [AusNOG] Government intends to pass TSSR this parliament

On 06/15/2017 15:47, Mark Newton wrote: [..] Whether we're talking about internet censorship, copyright takedowns, data retention, or now this, these Australian (always Australian) technical mailing lists are always full of people who say, "That's stupid, what they *really* should do

Re: [AusNOG] Government intends to pass TSSR this parliament

I agree with Mark on this view. If 'they' are interested in someone, there are already laws in-place that can be implemented(Usually requiring a warrant ) to keep an eye(various methods/technologies) on suspects. Greg.. On 15/06/2017 3:47 PM, Mark Newton wrote: On 06/15/2017 03:19 PM, Matt

Re: [AusNOG] Government intends to pass TSSR this parliament

Mark, I must say that some of the stuff you say sometimes really seems to criticise the thoughts and actions of other people in my opinion, this isn’t a personal attack on you, just an observation, however this information and response is by far the best worded explanation and positive

Re: [AusNOG] Government intends to pass TSSR this parliament

On 06/15/2017 03:19 PM, Matt Palmer wrote: Why do you think a solution has to work in order for it to become law? Believe me, I've been around the block enough times to know that it doesn't. At any rate, I'm not proposing it as a *good* solution, I'm observing that it is the way things

Re: [AusNOG] Government intends to pass TSSR this parliament

--- mpal...@hezmatt.org wrote: From: Matt Palmer This isn't about spies, this is about terruhrists. --- No it's about the poor little kids: "12 year old Zynab Al-Harbiya was killed in a suicide bombing in Iraq." and "Kirsty

Re: [AusNOG] Government intends to pass TSSR this parliament

On 06/15/2017 12:28 PM, Andrew McN wrote: On 15/06/17 10:06, Matt Palmer wrote: On Tue, Jun 13, 2017 at 05:48:38PM +1000, Andrew McN wrote: I doubt they'd bother trying to breaking encryption. It seems more likely that their plan is to force players like Google or IOS to push malware out

Re: [AusNOG] Government intends to pass TSSR this parliament

On Thu, Jun 15, 2017 at 12:28:41PM +1000, Andrew McN wrote: > On 15/06/17 10:06, Matt Palmer wrote: > > On Tue, Jun 13, 2017 at 05:48:38PM +1000, Andrew McN wrote: > >> I doubt they'd bother trying to breaking encryption. It seems more > >> likely that their plan is to force players like Google

Re: [AusNOG] Government intends to pass TSSR this parliament

Comparable to being issued a search warrant? -Original Message- From: AusNOG [mailto:ausnog-boun...@lists.ausnog.net] On Behalf Of Andrew McN Sent: Thursday, 15 June 2017 12:29 PM To: ausnog@lists.ausnog.net Subject: Re: [AusNOG] Government intends to pass TSSR this parliament On 15

Re: [AusNOG] Government intends to pass TSSR this parliament

On Tue, Jun 13, 2017 at 05:48:38PM +1000, Andrew McN wrote: > I doubt they'd bother trying to breaking encryption. It seems more > likely that their plan is to force players like Google or IOS to push > malware out to people's phones to circumvent the encryption. Even easier plan: just make

Re: [AusNOG] Government intends to pass TSSR this parliament

"Mr Speaker, the global threat we face from Islamist terrorism has been cruelly brought home to us in the past two weeks with young, innocent Australians murdered in Baghdad, London and Melbourne." Wait, there was an 'Islamist terrorist' attack in Melbourne in the past 2 weeks? Must have

Re: [AusNOG] Government intends to pass TSSR this parliament

On 13 June 2017 at 23:51, Joshua D'Alton wrote: > How do you distinguish between a VPN and https? > Please stop asking sensible questions. You'll just confuse the politicians... ___ AusNOG mailing list AusNOG@lists.ausnog.net

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t; > > > I think that time is getting closer… > > > > *From:* AusNOG [mailto:ausnog-boun...@lists.ausnog.net] *On Behalf Of *Paul > Wilkins > *Sent:* Tuesday, 13 June 2017 5:53 PM > *To:* ausnog@lists.ausnog.net > *Subject:* Re: [AusNOG] Government intends t

Re: [AusNOG] Government intends to pass TSSR this parliament

On 13 Jun 2017, at 7:53 pm, Paul Wilkins wrote: > > Firstly, we need to recognise the authority of the State is necessary for > security and freedom. As a concept, and as a question of degree, that claim is quite heavily contested. You're not going to get away

Re: [AusNOG] Government intends to pass TSSR this parliament

To: ausnog@lists.ausnog.net Subject: Re: [AusNOG] Government intends to pass TSSR this parliament Sooner or later, crypto is going to be regulated and you'll need to license private keys in escrow. That this isn't already the case is simply the fault of legislation failing to keep pace

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On 13 June 2017 at 21:48, Nick Gale wrote: > The right to privacy is less of an issue than with the breaking of things > that ought not be broken. All it will take is one bank to go down because > their escrow keys were acquired by another sovereign state and you have the >

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The right to privacy is less of an issue than with the breaking of things that ought not be broken. All it will take is one bank to go down because their escrow keys were acquired by another sovereign state and you have the country in lots of trouble. Attacks on a key escrow the government holds

Re: [AusNOG] Government intends to pass TSSR this parliament

What I'm saying is there was the social contract, then the internet came along, then the social contract was extended to encompass the internet. I don't mean to offend when I say this is inevitable, but I think it's counter productive to argue all regulation is evil, and the right to privacy

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On 13 June 2017 at 20:50, grenville armitage wrote: > > > On 06/13/2017 20:19, Paul Wilkins wrote: >> >> [...] That the technology is new doesn't change the fundamentals of >> liberty vs state authority. > > > Indeed. > Agree. Pity he argued the opposite. Paraphrasing,

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On 06/13/2017 20:19, Paul Wilkins wrote: [...] That the technology is new doesn't change the fundamentals of liberty vs state authority. Indeed. cheers, gja ___ AusNOG mailing list AusNOG@lists.ausnog.net