Re: [AusNOG] Mobile Data Capacity - Where's the bottleneck?

2020-03-31 Thread John Edwards
Hi Rob, Looking at the Australian example, we can analyse the industry using the ACMA database. There are about 42,733 mobile sites (devices with an ACMA licence for Spectrum or PTS) for Optus, Telstra and Vodafone. The same database shows only 11,584 point to point microwave licences for the

Re: [AusNOG] Mobile Data Capacity - Where's the bottleneck?

2020-03-31 Thread Robert Haylock
It's a nice idea, and I'm sure more efficient in Opex and over a long period of time with the benefits of upgrades like you say, but the Capex of deploying all that fibre would be huge, especially as cells get more abundant. That's why everyone really likes packets :) Rob On Tue, 31 Mar 2020 at

Re: [AusNOG] Mobile Data Capacity - Where's the bottleneck?

2020-03-30 Thread John Edwards
Dark fibre to cell sites opens up more possibilities than just bandwidth. Potentially the raw analogue waves from antennas can be re-modulated onto DWDM wavelengths and then digitally [de]modulated in a datacenter. This makes the whole process more efficient, reducing power and weight

Re: [AusNOG] Mobile Data Capacity - Where's the bottleneck?

2020-03-30 Thread Dave Taht
It is certainly my hope more will also deploy bufferbloat fighting solutions at various points. Typical cell bufferbloat is in the 1.6 second range, and would be worse if various protocols didn't just time out ___ AusNOG mailing list

Re: [AusNOG] Mobile Data Capacity - Where's the bottleneck?

2020-03-30 Thread Jonathan Brewer
Hi All, I thought I'd follow my comments up with information on a new cell site backhaul product launched in NZ this week. https://sp.chorus.co.nz/product-update/launching-voluntary-mobile-access-service-mobile-sites 1 Gbps fibre tail, upgradable in the future. My best guess is that future

Re: [AusNOG] Mobile Data Capacity - Where's the bottleneck?

2020-03-22 Thread Jonathan Brewer
On Mon, 23 Mar 2020 at 11:26, Joseph Goldman wrote: > From my understanding it can be a mixture of both. Metro areas shouldn't > really have a problem on backhaul as busy towers would have 10, 40, or even > 100gbit circuits to the base of the tower, that tends to be more a regional > issue when

Re: [AusNOG] Mobile Data Capacity - Where's the bottleneck?

2020-03-22 Thread John Edwards
It's complicated Ignoring channel aggregation (CA), the maximum amount of spectrum available to an LTE endpoint is 20Mhz, which is shared with everyone in the same sector. The amount of spectrum might be as small as 1.5Mhz If you have say an iPhone X with 2x2 MIMO, and can stand close enough to

Re: [AusNOG] Mobile Data Capacity - Where's the bottleneck?

2020-03-22 Thread Bradley Amm
"That tends to be more a regional issue when backhauled by microwave" I guess also some areas that have only Telstra backhaul (Think anything north of Geraldton in WA for example) would only buy minimal amounts of backhaul from Telstra to a capital city. On Mon, Mar 23, 2020 at 11:26 AM Joseph

Re: [AusNOG] Mobile Data Capacity - Where's the bottleneck?

2020-03-22 Thread Joseph Goldman
I do a 'little' bit of radio work so I am in no way an expert. From my understanding it can be a mixture of both. Metro areas shouldn't really have a problem on backhaul as busy towers would have 10, 40, or even 100gbit circuits to the base of the tower, that tends to be more a regional issue

Re: [AusNOG] Mobile Data Capacity - Where's the bottleneck?

2020-03-22 Thread Roy Adams
+1 needed for clarification also. Philippines carriers are a mess. Just to add to the mix, the provider I use has 10+ APN's, and on any given day, 1 or 2 of the APN's will be consistently faster than the other 8. So Backhaul, Spectrum, APN are the factors where I cannot figure the slowness.