Re: [AusNOG] Pics of an NBN FTTC install

2018-02-01 Thread Terry Sweetser (CTO)
I also don't see any issue with that install, the plant is designed to be installed like that and can handle the conditions. Terry Sweetser Chief Technical Officer *SkyMesh* d: 07 3123 5807 a: 07 3123 5817 m: 0447 069 725 p: 1300 759 637

Re: [AusNOG] Pics of an NBN FTTC install

2018-02-01 Thread tony
snog@lists.ausnog.net Subject: Re: [AusNOG] Pics of an NBN FTTC install On Feb 1, 2018, at 9:49 AM, Sam McLeod mailto:aus...@smcleod.net> > wrote: Pretty disgraceful: https://i.imgur.com/BVvzinL.jpg What’s disgraceful about it?

Re: [AusNOG] Pics of an NBN FTTC install

2018-02-01 Thread Mark Newton
> On Feb 1, 2018, at 9:49 AM, Sam McLeod wrote: > > Pretty disgraceful: https://i.imgur.com/BVvzinL.jpg > What’s disgraceful about it? - mark ___ AusNOG mailing list AusNOG@lists.ausnog.net http://lists.ausnog.

Re: [AusNOG] Pics of an NBN FTTC install

2018-01-31 Thread Nathan Sullivan
While I still would love to see FTTP instead of MTM personally, I think any step that takes fibre closer to the doorstep (FTTC/FTTdp) is a step in the right direction (vs say FTTN). Nathan. On Thu, Feb 1, 2018 at 1:15 PM, Will Dowling wrote: > It feels like a bit of an ugly interim step, but I

Re: [AusNOG] Pics of an NBN FTTC install

2018-01-31 Thread Will Dowling
> It feels like a bit of an ugly interim step, but I think, compared to FTTN > it’s much better. I suspect that NBNco will come up with a fairly standard Cu > to Fibre drop replacement cost. NBNCo’s wording suggests they’re only planning on ramping up to a grand total of ~1M FTTC connections by

Re: [AusNOG] Pics of an NBN FTTC install

2018-01-31 Thread Matthew Moyle-Croft
I suspect that’s a political not cost issue at the moment :) > On 31 Jan 2018, at 6:59 pm, Mark Andrews wrote: > > And hopefully go straight to FTTP if there isn’t a existing copper lead-in > in a FTTC area. It cost basically the same to trench for copper as it > costs to trench for fibre. > >

Re: [AusNOG] Pics of an NBN FTTC install

2018-01-31 Thread Sam McLeod
... and FTTP being passive rather than powered, not needing upgrading / replacement for a much longer time, easier to install and not mixing media types I know I'd much rather find a pit that looks like this: https://i.nextmedia.com.au/Utils/ImageResizer.ashx?n=http%3A%2F%2Fi.nextmedia.com.au%2

Re: [AusNOG] Pics of an NBN FTTC install

2018-01-31 Thread Mark Andrews
And hopefully go straight to FTTP if there isn’t a existing copper lead-in in a FTTC area. It cost basically the same to trench for copper as it costs to trench for fibre. Mark > On 1 Feb 2018, at 1:29 pm, Matthew Moyle-Croft wrote: > > FTTC is just an interim step - you still build the same G

Re: [AusNOG] Pics of an NBN FTTC install

2018-01-31 Thread Matthew Moyle-Croft
FTTC is just an interim step - you still build the same GPON network but you avoid the expensive part which is the bit from the curb to the house. Over time you just start converting the drops into fibre - either because people pay you or the copper drop dies. It feels like a bit of an ugly i

Re: [AusNOG] Pics of an NBN FTTC install

2018-01-31 Thread Scott Howard
One would expect it would cope fine, given that according to the datasheet it's designed to be "submerged in a pit (up to 1 meter) for one month". https://www.netcommwireless.com/sites/default/files/ndd-4100-01_spec-sheet.pdf Scott On Wed, Jan 31, 2018 at 4:19 PM, Peter Tiggerdine wrote: >

Re: [AusNOG] Pics of an NBN FTTC install

2018-01-31 Thread Mark Tees
Looks better than the vast majority of pitts? Looks like this https://www.netcommwireless.com/what-we-do/network-terminating-devices/fibre-distribution-point-fttdp Still way better than VDSL over 400m of copper. On Thu, 1 Feb 2018 at 05:49, Sam McLeod wrote: > Pretty disgraceful: https://i.im

Re: [AusNOG] Pics of an NBN FTTC install

2018-01-31 Thread Nick Stallman
Simplest way would be a diode on each power feed. That way it doesn't matter what each house does, as long as one is connected then it is powered. Assuming the resistances in the cables and the voltages being supplied by the power supplies is roughly the same you should get at least some curre

Re: [AusNOG] Pics of an NBN FTTC install

2018-01-31 Thread Tony Miles
My understanding on the power side of things is that one service is enough to power it all. When more than one is active the power load is shared across all of them. On 1 Feb 2018 10:47 AM, "Matt Hare" wrote: > Looks pretty standard for a pit to me, however I guess I haven't seen a > good qualit

Re: [AusNOG] Pics of an NBN FTTC install

2018-01-31 Thread Giles Pollock
You should see the disasterzone of coax now strung up around the property of a family member. Looks like SE Asia or India now with cables sagging unsupported, installed too low, runs going through trees... On Thu, Feb 1, 2018 at 11:46 AM, Matt Hare wrote: > Looks pretty standard for a pit to me,

Re: [AusNOG] Pics of an NBN FTTC install

2018-01-31 Thread Matt Hare
Looks pretty standard for a pit to me, however I guess I haven't seen a good quality install to be able to compare it to. So how does the power on those work, as it splits out to 4 homes, are there four individual power units within the Netcomm box and each home must provide power to receive sync?

Re: [AusNOG] Pics of an NBN FTTC install

2018-01-31 Thread Peter Tiggerdine
Interested to see how that pit splitter is going to cope when the pit fills up with water... Regards, Peter Tiggerdine GPG Fingerprint: 2A3F EA19 F6C2 93C1 411D 5AB2 D5A8 E8A8 0E74 6127 On Thu, Feb 1, 2018 at 10:16 AM, Craig Askings wrote: > What part of the install is disgraceful to you? It i

Re: [AusNOG] Pics of an NBN FTTC install

2018-01-31 Thread Craig Askings
What part of the install is disgraceful to you? It is a pit install, it is never going to be "pretty". > On 1 Feb 2018, at 8:49 am, Sam McLeod wrote: > > Pretty disgraceful: https://i.imgur.com/BVvzinL.jpg > > > > Source: "The Sizzle" - https://share.thesizzle.c

Re: [AusNOG] Pics of an NBN FTTC install

2018-01-31 Thread David Hughes
On 1 Feb 2018, at 8:49 am, Sam McLeod mailto:aus...@smcleod.net>> wrote: Pretty disgraceful: https://i.imgur.com/BVvzinL.jpg Every next-generation network still relies on cable ties and duct tape :) David ... ___ AusNOG

[AusNOG] Pics of an NBN FTTC install

2018-01-31 Thread Sam McLeod
Pretty disgraceful: https://i.imgur.com/BVvzinL.jpg Source: "The Sizzle" - https://share.thesizzle.com.au/sizzleshare/?id=4598 "Someone on Whirlpool has uploaded pics of what an NBN fibre to the curb (FTTC/FTTdp)