> On 2 Oct 2018, at 12:32 pm, Chris Ford wrote:
>
> Noel,
>
> Aside from one person (inappropriately) pushing Bevan for details, no has
> been talking about the details of any specific incident. Yes, any specific
> incident should be handled in accordance with the wishes of the victim and
On 02/10/2018 11:43, Robert Hudson wrote:
> On Mon, 1 Oct 2018 at 22:36, Noel Butler wrote:
>
>> This is a network operators list for discussion of network operations, not
>> HR related material.
>
> If you think that issues of sexual harassment and assault are purely HR
> matters, you're
@lists.ausnog.net
Subject: Re: [AusNOG] Sexual Harassment at AUSNOG Industry Events
This is a network operators list for discussion of network operations, not HR
related material. This entire thread is outside the charter, and to continue
after being told to stop shows complete and utter lack of respect
On Mon, 1 Oct 2018 at 22:36, Noel Butler wrote:
> This is a network operators list for discussion of network operations, not
> HR related material.
>
If you think that issues of sexual harassment and assault are purely HR
matters, you're part of the problem.
> This entire thread is outside the
To say "everyone knows it's wrong" belies the fact that sexual harassment
is endemic in this industry, and I see no reason to suggest other than
Ausnog membership is representative of the industry. When these issues
can't be discussed, it perpetuates such misunderstandings as:
1 - sexual
Hi guys,
I will preface my comment with:
I haven't been to any IT events for a year or so, but I doubt things have
changed that much in this amount of time.
Ok, that said...
I used to go along to supplier lead launches where a lot of different vendors
would come and display their shiney new
On 01/10/2018 13:26, Peter Tonoli wrote:
> To keep on charter, perhaps we need to look at preventing these issues in
> future?
>
> Looking at the AusNOG website, and the AusNOG 2018 conference sites - they
> appear, through my cursory look, to be devoid of a code of conduct, or
> similar.
Sometimes it helps to have something to point to when members forget that the
correct response to this is "take action" rather than "stop discussion".
James
On Mon, 1 Oct 2018, at 13:30, Matt Harlum wrote:
> Do people really need a Code of Conduct to tell them not to be sex offenders?
>
> > On
ITPA has a Code of Ethics that we inherited from SAGE-AU - we expect all
members to abide by it, irrespective of where they may be.
https://www.itpa.org.au/code-of-ethics/
It was written back in the 1990s, and has stood the test of time:
On Mon, 1 Oct 2018 at 13:27, Peter Tonoli
wrote:
> To
CoC, T's, charters etc are words on paper. There's other words on
bits of paper, that hold more weight than anything we say or do here,
yet are still ignored.
If people aren't afraid to outright break the law, then a simple CoC
(which basically affirms common decency) wont do much to help.
From Bevan's initial email, it appears so. If you've got a better
suggestion, I'm sure we're all open to hearing it?
LCA's CoC isn't limited to issues of a sexual nature however: TL;DR
they just want everyone to have a good time at their events.
Cheers,
Quoting Matt Harlum :
Do people
Do people really need a Code of Conduct to tell them not to be sex offenders?
> On 1 Oct 2018, at 1:26 pm, Peter Tonoli wrote:
>
> To keep on charter, perhaps we need to look at preventing these issues in
> future?
>
> Looking at the AusNOG website, and the AusNOG 2018 conference sites - they
To keep on charter, perhaps we need to look at preventing these issues
in future?
Looking at the AusNOG website, and the AusNOG 2018 conference sites -
they appear, through my cursory look, to be devoid of a code of
conduct, or similar. Perhaps, as a community, a good start would be
On 9/30/2018 12:00 PM, ausnog-requ...@lists.ausnog.net wrote:
>From the discussion this behaviour does NOT just happen at AUSNOG. It is
still happening at other industry events (PTC/ITW etc.) and usually when alcohol
and a sense of power is involved. It?s really simple. If you can?t
Jon,
On Sun, Sep 30, 2018 at 12:43 PM Jonathan Brewer
wrote:
> Your email to Bevan copying the list was possibly the least appropriate
> response possible. You want him to out his staff that have been harassed,
> because you don't believe him.
>
I am impartial therefore Bevan claim(s) are
Hi Christian,
I don't know you and I don't remember meeting you at an AusNOG. But you've
got my attention now.
Your email to Bevan copying the list was possibly the least appropriate
response possible. You want him to out his staff that have been harassed,
because you don't believe him.
You
Bevan,
On Sun, Sep 30, 2018 at 11:23 AM Bevan Slattery
wrote:
> ***NOT FOR REPUBLICATION***
>
On Sun, Sep 30, 2018 at 11:23 AM Bevan Slattery
wrote:
> I was given examples of sexual harassment at this years AUSNOG. At Ausnog
> my staff were directly targeted with inappropriate messages,
Jesus It is nearly 2019, we are (should be) better than this. It's hard
enough to balance the tech industry as a whole, so more power to rubbing
out the troublemakers causing this trouble. Everyone should have the right
to be safe from harassment when doing their jobs.
On Sun, 30 Sep. 2018,
***NOT FOR REPUBLICATION***
Hi everyone,
I am writing this email to everyone here because there is a problem within our
industry and it needs to end.
Last week at a strategy off-site for one of my businesses we were speaking to a
new (young female) starter about possibly coming to PTC this
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