Akim Demaille writes:
> Do you people think we should continue explaining how to do things
> without Automake?
I think yes, because otherwise you decrease the overall usability of your
product.
--
Peter Eisentraut [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://yi.org/peter-e/
Akim Demaille <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
| > "Peter" == Peter Eisentraut <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
|
| Peter> Alexandre Oliva writes:
| >> Anyway, automake uses `echo timestamp > file', instead of touch,
| >> and I've always thought the reason was to avoid having an empty
| >> file.
|
| Pet
| Akim Demaille writes:
| > Peter> The reason (which is documented somewhere in the auto* manuals)
| >
| > I don't know where.
|
| autoconf.texi
|
| @node Automatic Remaking, , Build Directories, Makefile Substitutions
| @subsection Automatic Remaking
|
| [snip]
|
| The @file{stamp-} files a
Akim Demaille writes:
> Peter> The reason (which is documented somewhere in the auto* manuals)
>
> I don't know where.
autoconf.texi
@node Automatic Remaking, , Build Directories, Makefile Substitutions
@subsection Automatic Remaking
[snip]
The @file{stamp-} files are necessary because the t
> "Peter" == Peter Eisentraut <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Peter> Alexandre Oliva writes:
>> Anyway, automake uses `echo timestamp > file', instead of touch,
>> and I've always thought the reason was to avoid having an empty
>> file.
Peter> The reason (which is documented somewhere in the aut
Alexandre Oliva writes:
> Anyway, automake uses `echo timestamp > file', instead of touch, and
> I've always thought the reason was to avoid having an empty file.
The reason (which is documented somewhere in the auto* manuals) is that on
some (BSD?) systems a 'touch' of an empty file doesn't upd
> "Alexandre" == Alexandre Oliva <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Alexandre> I wouldn't mind having the testsuite failing in case an
Alexandre> empty file can't be created, but I'd be very concerned if
Alexandre> autoconf or configure scripts generated by it depended on
Alexandre> this ability, fo
On Mar 20, 2001, Akim Demaille <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> "Alexandre" == Alexandre Oliva <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Alexandre> IIRC, there are filesystems that don't support zero-sized
Alexandre> files.
> ISTR that for a time we believed AIX was one such FS, but it has never
> been demo
> "Alexandre" == Alexandre Oliva <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>> Anyway, we really need to know how to create portably empty files,
>> we use it at other places IIRC.
Alexandre> Do we?
A quick grep didn't show any such place.
Alexandre> IIRC, there are filesystems that don't support zero-si
On Mar 19, 2001, Akim Demaille <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Anyway, we really need to know how to create portably empty files, we
> use it at other places IIRC.
Do we? IIRC, there are filesystems that don't support zero-sized
files. So we shouldn't depend on it, and we shouldn't depend on bein
I missed something along the way and could not find it in the mail
archive. Could someone recap why the following is not a good way to
create empty files? It should be a defined behavior for all POSIX
shells. I understand that the subject line implies that this does not
work under Ultrix. I am
I got much farther with /bin/sh5:
...
configure: creating ./config.status
sed: Unexpected End-of-file
/bin/sh5: ^Jsrcdir=..^JINSTALL=/usr/bin/install: not found
configure: WARNING: you should use --build, --host, --target
configure: WARNING: invalid host type: --enable-parse-clocks
config
On Mon, Mar 19, 2001 at 11:23:10AM +0100, Akim Demaille wrote:
> Anyway, we really need to know how to create portably empty files, we
> use it at other places IIRC.
echo a | grep b >empty-file
Yucky, but it works :-)
I was going to suggest
echo "" | grep . >empty-file
but if grep ever
> | Jim> Not everyone has a /dev/null.
> |
> | Huh??? What for instance?
>
> Er... Well, I guess you've caught me :-)
> I can't name one offhand. And even if I could, it probably
> wouldn't be worth making a change.
DJGPP doesn't (didn't) have one; its bash does support it, so the
current redi
> "Nicolas" == Nicolas Joly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Nicolas> Ok, but the `diff -u' test is broken (see below).
Thanks Nicolas!
On Mon, Mar 19, 2001 at 11:23:10AM +0100, Akim Demaille wrote:
> > "Jim" == Jim Meyering <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> Jim> I vaguely recall that we couldn't depend on touch. However, it
> Jim> *is* in the list of programs mentioned in standards.info's
> Jim> `Utilities in Makefiles' secti
> "Paul" == Paul Eggert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Paul> Sorry, I lost context. Why can't we ask people to invoke
Paul> 'CONFIG_SHELL=/bin/sh5 /bin/sh5 configure' on Ultrix? If
Paul> there's only a few dozen users, we can just inform them of this
Paul> by hand.
I was considering the optio
> From: Jim Meyering <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: 19 Mar 2001 10:52:15 +0100
>
> I'm beginning to think that Ultrix's /bin/sh is so bad that polluting,
> er... changing autoconf to accommodate is may not be worthwhile.
> Do any of you have an idea of how big the Ultrix-using community is?
I don't
> "Jim" == Jim Meyering <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Jim> | Jim> Not everyone has a /dev/null.
Jim> |
Jim> | Huh??? What for instance?
Jim> Er... Well, I guess you've caught me :-) I can't name one
Jim> offhand. And even if I could, it probably wouldn't be worth
Jim> making a change.
Well
Akim Demaille <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
| > "Jim" == Jim Meyering <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
|
| Jim> I vaguely recall that we couldn't depend on touch. However, it
| Jim> *is* in the list of programs mentioned in standards.info's
| Jim> `Utilities in Makefiles' section.
|
| Anyway, we rea
> "Jim" == Jim Meyering <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Jim> I vaguely recall that we couldn't depend on touch. However, it
Jim> *is* in the list of programs mentioned in standards.info's
Jim> `Utilities in Makefiles' section.
Anyway, we really need to know how to create portably empty files, w
Harlan Stenn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
| I haven't seen any response to this report yet.
I'm beginning to think that Ultrix's /bin/sh is so bad that polluting,
er... changing autoconf to accommodate is may not be worthwhile.
Do any of you have an idea of how big the Ultrix-using community is?
|
> "Harlan" == Harlan Stenn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Harlan> I haven't seen any response to this report yet. Is there a
Harlan> good reason the "empty" file can't be done using:
Harlan> rm -f empty && touch empty (just to be thorough)
Up to now we avoided touch.
Harlan> or
Harlan> cp
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