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2002-10-15 Thread Kevin . Bedell
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2002-10-15 Thread Kevin . Bedell
> 2) The Internet is at the center, and all the end points are sitting at > the edge, or inside of, multiple organizations implemented across > multiple platforms. This is where SOAP and interoperability has the > most focus. In your scenario Kevin, the fact that there is a queue at > either

Re: SOAP on JMS, a solution to which problem? [Scanned for known viruses]

2002-10-15 Thread Kevin . Bedell
Dave - Thanks for responding --- This e-mail message (including attachments, if any) is intended for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain information that is privileged, proprietar

Re: SOAP on JMS, a solution to which problem?

2002-10-15 Thread David Chappell
pond to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > cc: (bcc: Kevin Bedell/Systems/USHO/SunLife) > Subject:Re: SOAP on JMS, a solution to which problem? > > Comments and questions as embedded ... > > >The second answer (for Axis again) is using HTTP for c

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2002-10-15 Thread Kevin . Bedell
ECTED] cc: Subject:Re: SOAP on JMS, a solution to which problem? [Scanned for known viruses] (Document link: Database 'Kevin Bedell', View ' ($Sent)') In looking at this I felt it was something worth communicating to the rest of the world - I've put t

Re: SOAP on JMS, a solution to which problem?

2002-10-15 Thread Kevin . Bedell
ell/Systems/USHO/SunLife) Subject: Re: SOAP on JMS, a solution to which problem? Comments and questions as embedded ... >The second answer (for Axis again) is using HTTP for communications >between the SOAP client and server, but having the SOAP messages be >persisted in JMS inside the

Re: SOAP on JMS, a solution to which problem?

2002-10-15 Thread Ricky Ho
Comments and questions as embedded ... >The second answer (for Axis again) is using HTTP for communications >between the SOAP client and server, but having the SOAP messages be >persisted in JMS inside the Web Service client before they are >sent. It could also mean persisting the SOAP Messages u

Re: SOAP on JMS, a solution to which problem? [Scanned for known viruses]

2002-10-15 Thread Kevin . Bedell
In looking at this I felt it was something worth communicating to the rest of the world - I've put together a short blog entry/article below. Before I post it to O'Reilly's site I was wondering if I could get a few comments from the list just to make sure I know what I'm talking about. BTW - t

Re: SOAP on JMS, a solution to which problem?

2002-10-14 Thread David Chappell
ravels over another protocol like HTTP (eg the Systinet > product). > > /S > > Original Message: > ----- > From: Ricky Ho [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 11:36:48 -0700 > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re:

Re: SOAP on JMS, a solution to which problem?

2002-10-14 Thread Ricky Ho
ravels over another protocol like HTTP (eg the Systinet >product). > >/S > > > >Original Message: >- >From: Ricky Ho [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 11:36:48 -0700 >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subje

RE: SOAP on JMS, a solution to which problem?

2002-10-14 Thread Jung, Eric (Contractor)
D] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, October 14, 2002 5:30 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: SOAP on JMS, a solution to which problem? Ok. can you please elaborate on how you define "SOAP over JMS". Since JMS is not a wire level protocol like HTTP/FTP/SMTP/other this term IMHO i

Re: SOAP on JMS, a solution to which problem?

2002-10-14 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
(eg the Systinet product). /S Original Message: - From: Ricky Ho [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 11:36:48 -0700 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: SOAP on JMS, a solution to which problem? I agree that SOAP over JMS over the intranet (to Dave

Re: SOAP on JMS, a solution to which problem?

2002-10-14 Thread Ricky Ho
I agree that SOAP over JMS over the intranet (to Dave's definition) is a very practical approach today. although we still need to be aware of other conflicting approaches as well Without knowing the Sonic contribution, I', not sure if the message correlation id is an explicit field simil

Re: SOAP on JMS, a solution to which problem?

2002-10-14 Thread David Chappell
Hello Jacques, These are all great discussion points. There is never one correct answer. I can't speak for all of the Axis developers, but I will try and explain Sonic's point of view for doing this. The biggest benefit is having a common set of API's and surrounding infrastructure that abstrac

Re: SOAP on JMS, a solution to which problem?

2002-10-14 Thread Ricky Ho
An excellent summary !! Another BIG thing about the Web Service and JMS semantic mismatch is about the way they look at TRANSACTION (although there is not a widely-accepted one at this moment, so I'm talking about the model behind "BTP" and "WS-Transaction"). In JMS, it is NOT possible to sen

Re: SOAP on JMS, a solution to which problem?

2002-10-14 Thread Simon Hargreaves
A very good summary of the state of the asynchronous web services applications. I think that a standard reliable transport may be covered by the ebxml-msg and JAXM specifications. It appears that some of the JAXM implementations use JMS internally for queuing and reliable semantics. http://ww

SOAP on JMS, a solution to which problem?

2002-10-14 Thread Jacques TALBOT
So we all agree we need asynchronous, reliable, standard web services. Reliability is because applications, being pretty dumb, cannot cope, like human beings with http rather erratic semantics. Asynchronous because we know from EAI times that it is better. Standard because this is what Web Service