Regardless, one or the other has to be the default. I think that's more the
discussion here, if changing the default behavior is beneficial.
> Date: Fri, 14 May 2010 23:47:41 -0700
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> Subject: Re: [Ayatana] De
On the topic of double click or single click - the user should choose
not others. Open Source should not became a prison.
2010/5/12 Jan-Christoph Borchardt :
> What about that? Are there any plans already to default to single
> click for opening files and folders in Ubuntu?
>
> It is way more intu
Intuitive mean "easy to deduce the next step" (on Usability science) -
and not "instant learn".
Jan-Christoph put the right point.
Probably will be better to keep this discussion on topic.
2010/5/14 Thorsten Wilms :
> On Fri, 2010-05-14 at 11:37 +0200, Jan-Christoph Borchardt wrote:
>
>> That is e
At first I was against this idea but after trying Kubuntu I am in favour of
this idea,It only took me a few minutes to be adjusted.I tried this 10
people(old people and 4-6 year old children)who had never used computers and
they were comfortable with single click but had problems with Double-Click
On Sat, May 15, 2010 at 3:02 AM, Frederik Nnaji wrote:
> Hi David, your mockup looks pretty.. becoming more like a hybrid between
> our notification bubbles and and interactive progress indication dialog..
> i like the visual this is taking!
>
> some ideas on this:
>
> REMOVE THE TITLE BAR
> why?
On 14 May 2010 19:19, Dylan McCall wrote:
> Hi,
>
>
> I was listening to the dx-m-indicator-sound session at UDS-M. I'm really
> looking forward to the work on this now! (Although I couldn't find the
> Gobby document). Kudos for using existing specifications (eg: MPRIS) for
> all of this! It goes
On Fri, May 14, 2010 at 2:32 PM, Frederik Nnaji
wrote:
> Hi David, your mockup looks pretty.. becoming more like a hybrid between our
> notification bubbles and and interactive progress indication dialog..
> i like the visual this is taking!
>
Come to think of it, I recall some recent talk upstr
On 14 May 2010 12:57, Thorsten Wilms wrote:
> On Fri, 2010-05-14 at 11:37 +0200, Jan-Christoph Borchardt wrote:
>
>> That is exactly why interaction needs to be intuitive and not require
>> learning.
>
> This is totally unrealistic. Humans can't even walk or talk without
> learning.
Definitions
Hi David, your mockup looks pretty.. becoming more like a hybrid between our
notification bubbles and and interactive progress indication dialog..
i like the visual this is taking!
some ideas on this:
REMOVE THE TITLE BAR
why?
a) imagine you hit the cancel button..
the window would close immedia
Hey developers :)
There has been quite a discussion on Ubuntu’s usability mailing list
(Ayatana) about making single click standard or not:
https://lists.launchpad.net/ayatana/msg01863.html (There are some
mockups as well.)
The single click was mainly mentioned for usability (open may be the
most
Hi!
I tried to collect the thoughts so far, regarding single-click mode for
activation, but starting from the possible objective of getting rid of
double-clicking:
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Ayatana/DoubleClick
You might find that biased. Please add things that I might have missed.
Edit the wiki dir
>
> If it draws on many well-understood concepts, it is bound to seem
> familiar to those who indeed understand those concepts well.
>
I think if I showed a user a new interface for the first time, for instance
an iPad, and asked if it was familiar, they would say no, even if it was
easily learnab
Hi,
I was listening to the dx-m-indicator-sound session at UDS-M. I'm really
looking forward to the work on this now! (Although I couldn't find the
Gobby document). Kudos for using existing specifications (eg: MPRIS) for
all of this! It goes a long way.
Has some decision been reached on how the
https://docs.google.com/drawings/edit?id=1jC_EV0X2GuZh15xN9QvmUzquK7EjqVkCbqgXbgEsYOY&hl=en
Maybe this would be better then wave, :p wave is still to young.
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however, its still totally unclear about whats going on. theres no text
highlighting or anything. especially if the contact is offline, its very
difficult to figure out whats going on.
On Fri, May 14, 2010 at 9:47 AM, Remco wrote:
> On Fri, May 14, 2010 at 18:35, Tyler Brainerd
> wrote:
> > "he
On Fri, 2010-05-14 at 17:29 +0100, Joe Lanman wrote:
> These are all good but I don't think any cover the concept of being
> extremely quick to learn
If you mean quick to learn (as in learnability under the aspect of
required time), then just say so!?
> A UI can be very unfamiliar, but draw on m
On Fri, May 14, 2010 at 18:35, Tyler Brainerd wrote:
> "he search only matches the beginning of entries. You can't type
> "Doe" and expect to find John Doe. You have to start with "J"."
> I just checked, it matches all cases, not just the beginning
Hmm, my bad. I did actually check to make sure.
:D
On Fri, May 14, 2010 at 9:41 AM, David Hamm wrote:
> https://wave.google.com/wave/waveref/googlewave.com/w+FogEP8aTA :p I
> really gotta stop sending you personal messages Tyler.
>
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But even with this, its generally through the ingrained
cultural familiarity with computers that allows a user to, for instance,
navigate to a website. http://www. is hardly easy to learn in and of itself,
but it is familiar enough to not cause horrible problems (sometimes).
I think the only way w
"he search only matches the beginning of entries. You can't type
"Doe" and expect to find John Doe. You have to start with "J"."
I just checked, it matches all cases, not just the beginning
On Fri, May 14, 2010 at 9:07 AM, Remco wrote:
> On Fri, May 14, 2010 at 17:35, Jeremy Nickurak wrote:
>
These are all good but I don't think any cover the concept of being
extremely quick to learn
A UI can be very unfamiliar, but draw on many well-understood concepts to
create something completely new yet easily understood.
Language is a flexible thing, often changed over time by usage, and I think
On Fri, May 14, 2010 at 18:11, Jeremy Nickurak wrote:
> On Fri, May 14, 2010 at 10:07, Remco wrote:
>>
>> In the Contact List of Empathy, if you start typing the name of the
>> one you are looking for, a search box will appear. You'll end up
>> selecting the entry. There are a number of problems
On Fri, 2010-05-14 at 08:25 -0700, Tyler Brainerd wrote:
> I actually agree. Which word ought we to use instead, to describe the
> ease of understanding that a user has when interacting in a way that
> is familiar through learned experience?
As mentioned, that is the benefit of Familiarity. This
On Fri, May 14, 2010 at 10:07, Remco wrote:
> In the Contact List of Empathy, if you start typing the name of the
> one you are looking for, a search box will appear. You'll end up
> selecting the entry. There are a number of problems with this:
>
Any reason this couldn't work with an indicator-
On Fri, May 14, 2010 at 17:35, Jeremy Nickurak wrote:
> How do you access an addressbook of 2,000 entries with a traditional window?
> That seems like a daunting task by itself, so I'd be curious to know what
> the strategy there is.
In the Contact List of Empathy, if you start typing the name of
Thanks Tyler!
"I like the idea of rapid access to contacts, but how would we handle
an address-book with 2,000 entries?"
the same way android does! not readily done in a menu tho :p a filter
could be added as well cus we got a keyboard.
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How do you access an addressbook of 2,000 entries with a traditional window?
That seems like a daunting task by itself, so I'd be curious to know what
the strategy there is.
On Fri, May 14, 2010 at 06:15, Mark Shuttleworth wrote:
>
> I like the idea of rapid access to contacts, but how would we
I actually agree. Which word ought we to use instead, to describe the ease
of understanding that a user has when interacting in a way that is familiar
through learned experience?
On Fri, May 14, 2010 at 3:57 AM, Thorsten Wilms wrote:
> On Fri, 2010-05-14 at 11:37 +0200, Jan-Christoph Borchardt w
Or the best find-as-you-type that you can imagine.
On Fri, May 14, 2010 at 6:48 AM, Tyler Brainerd wrote:
> Favorites? Common groups? Most recent contacts,
>
> On May 14, 2010, at 5:15 AM, Mark Shuttleworth wrote:
>
> >
> > I like the idea of rapid access to contacts, but how would we handle
> >
Dictionary.com defines 'intuition' as:
Direct perception of truth, fact, etc., independent of any reasoning process
(http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/intuition)
The perception of a fact with no reasoning process at all seems impossible
to me.. but it leaves the question of how do you desc
"Chat windows used to be one click away." This was one of the best
arguments against it until they made the tray.
http://blogs.gnome.org/mccann/2009/07/05/getting-the-message/
but you can still use the same argument, in that, gnome shell cannon't
presume to know how all applications will work.
Unf
Very well-worded point, Thorsten. This expresses in clean, concise words
(and with references!) my general feelings on the subject.
Thanks,
-Scott
On Fri, May 14, 2010 at 6:57 AM, Thorsten Wilms wrote:
> On Fri, 2010-05-14 at 11:37 +0200, Jan-Christoph Borchardt wrote:
>
> > That is exactly why
On Fri, May 14, 2010 at 3:51 AM, Conscious User wrote:
>
> > I mentioned doing usability tests. My point is that the most used
> > should be the most easily accessible. Does anyone disagree on that?
>
> The discussion is not boolean. It is not about disagreeing or not
> that it should be easy, but
On 14/05/10 14:48, Tyler Brainerd wrote:
> On May 14, 2010, at 4:00 AM, Thorsten Wilms wrote:
>
>
>> On Fri, 2010-05-14 at 11:58 +0200, Conscious User wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Again, I think some of you are giving *way* too much importance
>>> to "most used" and treating it as if it meant the same
Favorites? Common groups? Most recent contacts,
On May 14, 2010, at 5:15 AM, Mark Shuttleworth wrote:
>
> I like the idea of rapid access to contacts, but how would we handle
> an
> addressbook with 2,000 entries?
>
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On May 14, 2010, at 4:00 AM, Thorsten Wilms wrote:
> On Fri, 2010-05-14 at 11:58 +0200, Conscious User wrote:
>
>> Again, I think some of you are giving *way* too much importance
>> to "most used" and treating it as if it meant the same as "the
>> only one used".
>
> Like way too often, this read
With GNOME-Shell coming, arises problem of managing small windows
which you need to always have here at hand. The greatest problem are
chat windows. Yes, replying from the notification is good, but what if
you need to copy a link from Firefox, then return to a chat window and
paste it? Switch to th
I like the idea of rapid access to contacts, but how would we handle an
addressbook with 2,000 entries?
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On Fri, 2010-05-14 at 11:37 +0200, Jan-Christoph Borchardt wrote:
> That is exactly why interaction needs to be intuitive and not require
> learning.
This is totally unrealistic. Humans can't even walk or talk without
learning.
Some say the nipple would be the only intuitive interface. I've bee
On Fri, 2010-05-14 at 11:58 +0200, Conscious User wrote:
> Again, I think some of you are giving *way* too much importance
> to "most used" and treating it as if it meant the same as "the
> only one used".
Like way too often, this read is running in circles now. I would like to
suggest to just st
> I mentioned doing usability tests. My point is that the most used
> should be the most easily accessible. Does anyone disagree on that?
The discussion is not boolean. It is not about disagreeing or not
that it should be easy, but about *how* easy it should be.
One thing that is being forgotten
On 14 May 2010 11:58, Conscious User wrote:
>> A valid point I got from a Mac user: Selecting the file to use quick
>> look is more often used than actually opening the file (because it is
>> quicker …). That would be a problem if we actually had quick look or
>> another kind of preview. ;)
>
> Ag
> A valid point I got from a Mac user: Selecting the file to use quick
> look is more often used than actually opening the file (because it is
> quicker …). That would be a problem if we actually had quick look or
> another kind of preview. ;)
Again, I think some of you are giving *way* too much
On 14 May 2010 02:18, Sohail Mirza wrote:
> On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 5:37 PM, Luke Morton
> wrote:
>> Nothing's lost, but learnt behaviours would have to change.
>
> Changing learnt behaviours is easier said than done!
That is exactly why interaction needs to be intuitive and not require learning
On Thu, 2010-05-13 at 14:20 -0700, Tyler Brainerd wrote:
> Perhaps read the rest of the conversation and you will read all the
> previous examples of difficulty with some functions.
You said impossible. Now suddenly it's "difficulty".
It would help this list tremendously if everyone tried to be p
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