Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] What does Note above Santo Antonio Marriage Record Say?

2014-05-07 Thread Fred Estrella
So, with this new information, I tried to research the bride's baptism and parents marriage records. I think I found the parents record from 1729 (top right page): http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-SANTOANTONIO-C-1729-1769/SMG-PD-SANTOANTONIO-C-1729-1769_item1/P4.html I th

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] What does Note above Santo Antonio Marriage Record Say?

2014-05-07 Thread Dano
Good work, John, I concur. I've never seen a "post script" to any marriage record, where both participants were actually required to add a "signing statement." *(I thought that practice was just for US Presidents)*. I think I know how the church actually found out that the marriage was a fraud.

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] What does Note above Santo Antonio Marriage Record Say?

2014-05-07 Thread 'John Raposo' via Azores Genealogy
Actually it looks like the couple may have deliberately misled the priest: «Advirto que esta contraente de seu nome é Maria de Viveiros, filha de João de Viveiros Homem e de sua m.er Maria Martins e nos termos davam ambos os sobrenomes que faz confusão, mas são estes contraentes; tinham impediment

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] What does Note above Santo Antonio Marriage Record Say?

2014-05-06 Thread Margaret Vicente
You're welcome. They sure did, lucky this one was caught and annotated as such. On Tue, May 6, 2014 at 10:36 PM, Fred Estrella wrote: > Thanks, Margaret for your help. I guess they had recording mistakes back > then too! > > Fred > > > On Tue, May 6, 2014 at 1:52 PM, Margaret Vicente < > margare

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] What does Note above Santo Antonio Marriage Record Say?

2014-05-06 Thread Fred Estrella
Thanks, Margaret for your help. I guess they had recording mistakes back then too! Fred On Tue, May 6, 2014 at 1:52 PM, Margaret Vicente wrote: > Fred, > the note reads: "I’m adverting that this bride (contrahente) her name is > Maria de Viveiros daughter of Joao Viveiros Homem and of his wife

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] What does Note above Santo Antonio Marriage Record Say?

2014-05-06 Thread Margaret Vicente
Fred, the note reads: "I’m adverting that this bride (contrahente) her name is Maria de Viveiros daughter of Joao Viveiros Homem and of his wife Maria Martins and in the documents/certificates (termos) both gave their surnames that cause confusion with the certificates that/of the bride and groom (

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] What does Note above Santo Antonio Marriage Record Say?

2014-05-06 Thread Fred Estrella
Margaret, I don't think this is the case because the bride's parents names are listed in the record (Jose Homem da Costa and Maria da Costa). And there is no Maria de Viveiros listed anywhere in the record, except in the written note above the record. I think it is something else. Fred On Tue, M

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] What does Note above Santo Antonio Marriage Record Say?

2014-05-06 Thread Margaret Vicente
Hi Fred, I didn't check the whole document to verify this but it seems the Priest forgot to enter the bride's parents and the Note says he advises the bride in the document Maria de Viveiros daugther of Joao Viveiros and of his wife Maria Martins. hope this helps, On Tue, May 6, 2014 at 12:45 P

[AZORES-Genealogy] What does Note above Santo Antonio Marriage Record Say?

2014-05-06 Thread Fred Estrella
I would like some help with understanding the note above the marriage record for Jose de Viveiros and Maria de Sao Jose. Since I don't read Portuguese I was wondering if someone could tell me what it says. Is it correcting/changing a name in the record? Is it the bride or the bride's mother? Here'