Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] there is no "DE Something" surnames in portuguese

2014-04-02 Thread Ricardo Chaves
Hi Herb, if I said any other way I didn't mean it, yes I loose myself in writing sometimes, but the issue here is only spelling, converting names, and tracking that back will be difficult if one doesn't know that, (Example) Sousa, de Sousa or DeSousa is in most cases the same thing! And I also want

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] there is no "DE Something" surnames in portuguese

2014-04-01 Thread Herb
Ricardo while I understand your concerns, we are not trying to boil the ocean or cure world hunger here. We are simply trying to share our experiences and hopes with each other to learn what we can about our ancestors. It really is that simple. That's it. Herb -- For options, such as changing

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] there is no "DE Something" surnames in portuguese

2014-04-01 Thread Pam Santos
Well this might be the same reason of why immigrants did not teach their children how to speak their native language. My mother whose first language was Spanish and when she started going to school they did not allow them to speak Spanish in school and if they did they would get in trouble. She nor

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] there is no "DE Something" surnames in portuguese

2014-04-01 Thread Tish M
Hi Cheri and Ricardo, My story is similar to Cheri's. My parents both worked so I spend a great deal of time with my grandparents who immigrated the early 1900's. My grandfather came via Santa Maria, Bermuda, back to Santa Maria for his bride, and then to California. He and his brother kept the nam

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] there is no "DE Something" surnames in portuguese

2014-04-01 Thread Ricardo Chaves
There you go Chery, you and your sister were some of the lucky ones! That's why I said "Some families". Also in your longer paragraph you reinforce what I said as another possible reason "LIFE" reasons! That example of moms in the kitchen and "cupid" lol, is perfectly understandable. Don't forget a

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] there is no "DE Something" surnames in portuguese

2014-04-01 Thread Cheri Mello
Ricardo C, You made lots of points. Let me try to address some of them. Why does "de Souza" become "DeSouza?" Why did the trumpet in high school band have the last name "Vandewater?" I'm sure it was "van de Water." All I know is that in school, the computer programs that creates the roll shee

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] there is no "DE Something" surnames in portuguese

2014-04-01 Thread Ricardo Chaves
Good morning group, first my apologies to Eliseu for not being able explain myself the right way, we have talked off list. Eliseu, I went to your website and typed in your "query box" *de Sousa* (with space between the prefix and the surname) and it worked. Now, if I type *deSousa* there's no resu

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] there is no "DE Something" surnames in portuguese

2014-03-31 Thread Dano
Well, Cheri, they probably don't mean it, but, what kind of research will they turn out if they can't even get the names of the islands straight??? You know I'm on the east coast, only been to CA once in my life, but, even I know that San Miguel is in the Channel Islands - all it takes is a shor

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] there is no "DE Something" surnames in portuguese

2014-03-31 Thread Cheri Mello
The only San Miguel island that exists (that I could find on the Internet) is part of the Channel Islands of the coast of California. Wrong archipelago, wrong country, wrong ocean. And I know most people don't mean that! -- Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] there is no "DE Something" surnames in portuguese

2014-03-31 Thread Dano
All that be true, Carlos, however, there still* isn't* a "San" Miguel, or "San" Jorge, island in the Azores. If people want to "find their roots," they need to start by at least getting the names of the *islands*straight... On Monday, March 31, 2014 3:08:06 PM UTC-4, rchaves wrote: > > Hi, >

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] there is no "DE Something" surnames in portuguese

2014-03-31 Thread Shirl Sereque
Holland I also have ancestors who lived in Holland.  They were Jewish, thrown out of some other anti-Jewish country.  Eventually they went to England. - Shirl - On Monday, March 31, 2014 6:00 PM, Cheri Mello wrote: Ricardo C, That's what I mean.  I think when the more recent people came to Am

RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] there is no "DE Something" surnames in portuguese

2014-03-31 Thread pico
eone unfamiliar with Portuguese names might ask me or my children about their surname "da" because they have a neighbor also with the surname "da." :-)Doug da Rocha HolmesSacramento, CaliforniaPico & Terceira Genealogist916-550-1618www.dholmes.com -------- Original Message -

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] there is no "DE Something" surnames in portuguese

2014-03-31 Thread Cheri Mello
Ricardo C, That's what I mean. I think when the more recent people came to America and said their name was Da Silva or whatever, it is misunderstood and "Da" becomes part of their name. Then they had kids who went to school here and they grow up thinking that their name is really "DaSilva" and n

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] there is no "DE Something" surnames in portuguese

2014-03-31 Thread Ricardo Chaves
Sorry, i forgot to say, why do I see many times PT descendents in the US adopting this kind of surname? DeMelo DeSousa DeSilva or DaSilva etc On Mon, Mar 31, 2014 at 7:08 PM, Ricardo Chaves wrote: > Hi, > > all that is called evolution! It has been "happening" here as time goes > by! I sure w

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] there is no "DE Something" surnames in portuguese

2014-03-31 Thread Ricardo Chaves
Hi, all that is called evolution! It has been "happening" here as time goes by! I sure would find awkward if my name was Xaves instead of Chaves or Joseph instead of José, or Joachim instead of Joaquim, etc. If you are registered with a prefix in your name, you cannot simply decide to "throw" it

RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] there is no "DE Something" surnames in portuguese

2014-03-31 Thread Eliseu Pacheco da Silva
Hi Cheri! Of course you are right. Just makes me "crazy" because people always say they can not find this and this at my data base. I think it is worth to let them know this once in a while. they need to know that there is a difference! When I research in Holland I do not research with Port

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] there is no "DE Something" surnames in portuguese

2014-03-31 Thread Cheri Mello
HI Eliseu, Try to explain that to people who immigrated to America a while ago and went to American schools. Roll call...and their names are in the D section! They seriously think their name begins with a D and they look at me like I'm crazy when I try to explain the pre-surname thing. But if w