Re: [BackupPC-users] Scheduling advice

2017-08-31 Thread Kris Lou
> > > I don't really know the details of bpc4. I think it always fills the > most recent run and works backwards to clean up the old copies so you > should have whatever files are still there even if some were somehow > deleted. Still, if your pool filesystem is totally corrupted all > bets are

Re: [BackupPC-users] Scheduling advice

2017-08-31 Thread Les Mikesell
On Thu, Aug 31, 2017 at 11:51 AM, Gandalf Corvotempesta wrote: > > > Yes, now it's clear. > But my issue is not bandwidth but time. A longer backup will increase > load on the > host for more time. Yes, you need to pick your tradeoff between knowing your backup copy is exactly correct and the amo

Re: [BackupPC-users] Scheduling advice

2017-08-31 Thread Ray Frush
On Thu, Aug 31, 2017 at 10:45 AM, Gandalf Corvotempesta < gandalf.corvotempe...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Ok but let's simulate a crash in your example: > > On day 2, before the incremental backup, the filled one (day0) is lost. > Is backup made on day1 still available with "all" files or only with >

Re: [BackupPC-users] Scheduling advice

2017-08-31 Thread Gandalf Corvotempesta
2017-08-31 18:51 GMT+02:00 Gandalf Corvotempesta : > Yes, on the run everyhting missing is synced. But what about a restore? *on the NEXT run -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tec

Re: [BackupPC-users] Scheduling advice

2017-08-31 Thread Gandalf Corvotempesta
2017-08-31 18:44 GMT+02:00 Les Mikesell : > With rsync xfers, only the changes are going to be transferred. The > difference in a backuppc full and incremental is that the incremental > will use the rsync feature of comparing the timestamp and length of > the files to quickly skip unchanged files,

Re: [BackupPC-users] Scheduling advice

2017-08-31 Thread Gandalf Corvotempesta
2017-08-31 18:34 GMT+02:00 Ray Frush : > I'll extend the example > > Day 0 : Full backup 100GB transfered > Day 1 : add 5GB , Incremental runs, 5GB transferred > Day 2 : add 5GB , Incremental, ~5GB transferred > Day 3 ; add 5 GB, Full runs. ALL files check-summed. Files with > identica

Re: [BackupPC-users] Scheduling advice

2017-08-31 Thread Les Mikesell
On Thu, Aug 31, 2017 at 11:23 AM, Gandalf Corvotempesta wrote: > > So, with a "full" run, the second "full" is still seen as an > incremental by rsync? > Let's assume a 100GB host. > bpc will backup that host for the first time. 100GB are transferred. > The next day, only 5GB are added on that hos

Re: [BackupPC-users] Scheduling advice

2017-08-31 Thread Ray Frush
On Thu, Aug 31, 2017 at 10:23 AM, Gandalf Corvotempesta < gandalf.corvotempe...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > So, with a "full" run, the second "full" is still seen as an > incremental by rsync? > Let's assume a 100GB host. > bpc will backup that host for the first time. 100GB are transferred. > The next

Re: [BackupPC-users] Scheduling advice

2017-08-31 Thread Gandalf Corvotempesta
2017-08-31 17:54 GMT+02:00 Les Mikesell : > I guess I'm missing why you would ever want to delete anything > manually. With bpc the actual files are going to be in the pool > anyway and you almost certainly don't want to delete anything manually > from there because you'd lose things that are pool

Re: [BackupPC-users] Scheduling advice

2017-08-31 Thread Gandalf Corvotempesta
2017-08-31 17:32 GMT+02:00 Ray Frush : > With BackupPC 4.x we only take a 'full' every 90 days, and because we're > using rsync, subsequent fulls aren't as painful as the first one. We run > the full to ensure that all checksums match to avoid silent data corruption > on th storage So, with a "f

Re: [BackupPC-users] Scheduling advice

2017-08-31 Thread Les Mikesell
On Thu, Aug 31, 2017 at 10:24 AM, Gandalf Corvotempesta wrote: > > I would like to use BPC (i've used v3 many years ago with success > ,tried v4 last year and it was a total mess due to a bug now fixed) > but the ability to delete (brutally, from command line, not from BPC) > and backup point is m

Re: [BackupPC-users] Scheduling advice

2017-08-31 Thread Ray Frush
On Thu, Aug 31, 2017 at 9:16 AM, Gandalf Corvotempesta < gandalf.corvotempe...@gmail.com> wrote: > 2017-08-31 16:33 GMT+02:00 Ray Frush : > > Thanks for the reply. > In this case, you are making some full backups. > I don't want to run any full backup except for the first one, like > with rsnapsho

Re: [BackupPC-users] Scheduling advice

2017-08-31 Thread Gandalf Corvotempesta
2017-08-31 17:18 GMT+02:00 Les Mikesell : > Also, note that backuppc's compression and pooling across host will > likely at least double the history you can keep online unless your > data is mostly unique and already compressed. This is not an issue for me. My biggest concern is how bpc handle a b

Re: [BackupPC-users] Scheduling advice

2017-08-31 Thread Les Mikesell
On Thu, Aug 31, 2017 at 9:33 AM, Ray Frush wrote: > > To answer your second question: BackupPC does a good job of managing the > 'filled' (think 'full') backups if you decide to delete one. I have found, > that BackupPC is pretty good at self healing from issues. We had a number > of backups i

Re: [BackupPC-users] Scheduling advice

2017-08-31 Thread Gandalf Corvotempesta
2017-08-31 16:33 GMT+02:00 Ray Frush : > BackupPC, is relatively easy to setup for a schedule like you propose. We > keep a 30 day backup history with a few extra weeks tacked on to get out to > ~70 days, so the values below reflect our schedule: > > The values you'll want to check: > $Conf{IncrK

Re: [BackupPC-users] Scheduling advice

2017-08-31 Thread Ray Frush
Gandalf- BackupPC, is relatively easy to setup for a schedule like you propose. We keep a 30 day backup history with a few extra weeks tacked on to get out to ~70 days, so the values below reflect our schedule: The values you'll want to check: $Conf{IncrKeepCnt} = 26; # This is the number

Re: [BackupPC-users] Scheduling advice

2017-08-31 Thread Gandalf Corvotempesta
Additionally, what happens if I delete/lost/break the full backups ? Any subsequent incremental backups will be broken or automatically the following incremental backup would become a "full" like with rsnapshot? 2017-08-30 21:54 GMT+02:00 Gandalf Corvotempesta : > Hi to all > Currently I use rsnap