Re: [BackupPC-users] why are full backups needed with BackupPC?

2006-03-28 Thread Kanwar Ranbir Sandhu
On Tue, 2006-28-03 at 15:00 -0600, Les Mikesell wrote: > On Tue, 2006-03-28 at 13:44, Kanwar Ranbir Sandhu wrote: > > > What hasn't worked for, ever, is using ssh to connect to the Windows > > box, and then pull the backups down by connecting to the rsyncd. That > > being said, I seem to recall so

Re: [BackupPC-users] why are full backups needed with BackupPC?

2006-03-28 Thread Les Mikesell
On Tue, 2006-03-28 at 13:44, Kanwar Ranbir Sandhu wrote: > What hasn't worked for, ever, is using ssh to connect to the Windows > box, and then pull the backups down by connecting to the rsyncd. That > being said, I seem to recall someone reporting that they got it to work, > so I should probably

Re: [BackupPC-users] why are full backups needed with BackupPC?

2006-03-28 Thread Kanwar Ranbir Sandhu
On Tue, 2006-28-03 at 12:14 -0600, Les Mikesell wrote: > Rsyncd is rsync listening directly in --daemon mode instead of > being started by sshd. You shouldn't have any trouble setting > that up under windows except possibly making it run as a > service. That bit works, though once in a while the

Re: [BackupPC-users] why are full backups needed with BackupPC?

2006-03-28 Thread Les Mikesell
On Tue, 2006-03-28 at 10:50, Kanwar Ranbir Sandhu wrote: > On Mon, 2006-27-03 at 22:11 -0600, Trey Nolen wrote: > > Rsyncd over ssh work on windows...rsync will still not act like a server > > under cygwin. > > I've tried using rsyncd with cygwin on the Windows side - it's never > worked for me.

Re: [BackupPC-users] why are full backups needed with BackupPC?

2006-03-28 Thread Kanwar Ranbir Sandhu
On Mon, 2006-27-03 at 22:11 -0600, Trey Nolen wrote: > Rsyncd over ssh work on windows...rsync will still not act like a server > under cygwin. I've tried using rsyncd with cygwin on the Windows side - it's never worked for me. How did you get it to work? (or am I misunderstanding something?) R

Re: [BackupPC-users] why are full backups needed with BackupPC?

2006-03-27 Thread Trey Nolen
Rsyncd over ssh work on windows...rsync will still not act like a server under cygwin. Trey - Original Message - From: "Dan Pritts" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Laurent Mazet" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: Sent: Monday, March 27, 2006 10:02 PM Subject: Re: [Back

Re: [BackupPC-users] why are full backups needed with BackupPC?

2006-03-27 Thread Dan Pritts
On Mon, Mar 27, 2006 at 12:52:31AM +0200, Laurent Mazet wrote: > To summarize, for a Windows host: > - rsync over ssh doesn't work. > - rsyncd transfers only diff but you need to connect with a clear password. You might be able to run rsyncd transfers over an ssh tunnel. I don't know if there ar

Re: [BackupPC-users] why are full backups needed with BackupPC?

2006-03-27 Thread Laurent Mazet
On Sun, 26 Mar 2006 15:09:06 -0800 Craig Barratt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Laurent Mazet writes: > > > To summarize, for a Windows host: > > > > - rsync over ssh doesn't work. > > Yes, but I haven't tested it recently. Unfortunately, I've tried last week with copSSH 1.3.9 and cwRsync 2.0.6

Re: [BackupPC-users] why are full backups needed with BackupPC?

2006-03-26 Thread Craig Barratt
Laurent Mazet writes: > To summarize, for a Windows host: > > - rsync over ssh doesn't work. Yes, but I haven't tested it recently. > - rsyncd transfers only diff but you need to connect with a clear password. Rsyncd doesn't send a clear password over the network. It uses a digest-based challe

Re: [BackupPC-users] why are full backups needed with BackupPC?

2006-03-26 Thread Laurent Mazet
On Sun, 26 Mar 2006 09:19:02 -0500 Dan Pritts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sat, Mar 25, 2006 at 02:48:31PM +0100, Tomasz Chmielewski wrote: > > What about "smb" method for Windows? Will full backup transfer > > everything (as tar would), or will it do some magic and transfer > > new/changed fi

Re: [BackupPC-users] why are full backups needed with BackupPC?

2006-03-26 Thread Les Mikesell
On Sun, 2006-03-26 at 11:10, Dan Young wrote: > > > > Rsync will read everything at both ends during a full which > > can be fairly slow, but only a small amount of bandwidth > > is used for the comparison and otherwise only the changes > > are sent. > > Unless you turn on checksum caching, correc

Re: [BackupPC-users] why are full backups needed with BackupPC?

2006-03-26 Thread Dan Young
On Mar 25, 2006, at 8:53 AM, Les Mikesell wrote: On Sat, 2006-03-25 at 02:45, Tomasz Chmielewski wrote: Does the full rsync backup in BackupPC transfer only changes (compared to the last full backup), or maybe it transfers everything? It's not clear from the documentation (which states: "A fu

Re: [BackupPC-users] why are full backups needed with BackupPC?

2006-03-26 Thread Dan Pritts
On Sat, Mar 25, 2006 at 02:48:31PM +0100, Tomasz Chmielewski wrote: > What about "smb" method for Windows? Will full backup transfer > everything (as tar would), or will it do some magic and transfer > new/changed files only (based on timestamps etc.)? it transfers everything. > If it transfers

Re: [BackupPC-users] why are full backups needed with BackupPC?

2006-03-25 Thread Les Mikesell
On Sat, 2006-03-25 at 02:45, Tomasz Chmielewski wrote: > > > > You should be able to tell backuppc to make fulls as often as > > you want. The only downside with rsync is the extra time > > it takes to do the full block checksum compare on existing > > files. > > Is it really the only downside

Re: [BackupPC-users] why are full backups needed with BackupPC?

2006-03-25 Thread Tomasz Chmielewski
Paul Fox wrote: > > > > You should be able to tell backuppc to make fulls as often as > > you want. The only downside with rsync is the extra time > > it takes to do the full block checksum compare on existing > > files. > > Is it really the only downside of full backups? > > Doesn'

Re: [BackupPC-users] why are full backups needed with BackupPC?

2006-03-25 Thread Paul Fox
> > > > You should be able to tell backuppc to make fulls as often as > > you want. The only downside with rsync is the extra time > > it takes to do the full block checksum compare on existing > > files. > > Is it really the only downside of full backups? > > Doesn't a full backup me

Re: [BackupPC-users] why are full backups needed with BackupPC?

2006-03-25 Thread Tomasz Chmielewski
Les Mikesell wrote: On Fri, 2006-03-24 at 17:21, Tomasz Chmielewski wrote: there are other backup schemes that do the "always make a full" thing, do a web search for "mike rubel rsync backup" to see one guy's web page that uses a similar scheme. It lacks many of the nice surrounding tools that

Re: [BackupPC-users] why are full backups needed with BackupPC?

2006-03-24 Thread Les Mikesell
On Fri, 2006-03-24 at 17:56, Peter Gumeson wrote: > After looking through the backuppc code, I am under > the impression that BackupPC does not take advantage > of using the --link-dest option in Rsync to create > hardlinks. I am guessing one reason may be that the > PerlRsync module does not app

Re: [BackupPC-users] why are full backups needed with BackupPC?

2006-03-24 Thread Peter Gumeson
Doh! I see what you meant, you suggested adding link_dest to the rsync args in the config.pl Is this safe with backuppc? Peter --- Peter Gumeson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hi all, > > After looking through the backuppc code, I am under > the impression that BackupPC does not take advant

Re: [BackupPC-users] why are full backups needed with BackupPC?

2006-03-24 Thread Peter Gumeson
Hi all, After looking through the backuppc code, I am under the impression that BackupPC does not take advantage of using the --link-dest option in Rsync to create hardlinks. I am guessing one reason may be that the PerlRsync module does not appear to support the --link-dest option. (http://perl

Re: [BackupPC-users] why are full backups needed with BackupPC?

2006-03-24 Thread Les Mikesell
On Fri, 2006-03-24 at 17:21, Tomasz Chmielewski wrote: > > there are other backup schemes that do the "always make a full" thing, > > do a web search for "mike rubel rsync backup" to see one guy's web > > page that uses a similar scheme. It lacks many of the nice surrounding > > tools that backup

Re: [BackupPC-users] why are full backups needed with BackupPC?

2006-03-24 Thread Tomasz Chmielewski
Dan Pritts wrote: On Fri, Mar 24, 2006 at 05:35:12PM +0100, Tomasz Chmielewski wrote: Why are full backups needed at all with BackupPC? According to documentation, "BackupPC's CGI interface ``fills-in'' incremental backups based on the last full backup, giving every backup a ``full'' appearan

Re: [BackupPC-users] why are full backups needed with BackupPC?

2006-03-24 Thread Dan Pritts
On Fri, Mar 24, 2006 at 05:35:12PM +0100, Tomasz Chmielewski wrote: > Why are full backups needed at all with BackupPC? > > According to documentation, "BackupPC's CGI interface ``fills-in'' > incremental backups based on the last full backup, giving every backup a > ``full'' appearance." > > S

Re: [BackupPC-users] why are full backups needed with BackupPC?

2006-03-24 Thread Les Mikesell
On Fri, 2006-03-24 at 11:04, Tomasz Chmielewski wrote: > > > So, in theory, it should be enough to make just one full, initial > > > backup, and then only incremental backups. > > > > > > Or do I miss something here? > > > > one reason (there may be others) is that incrementals don't accoun

Re: [BackupPC-users] why are full backups needed with BackupPC?

2006-03-24 Thread Paul Fox
> > > Why are full backups needed at all with BackupPC? > > > > > > According to documentation, "BackupPC's CGI interface ``fills-in'' > > > incremental backups based on the last full backup, giving every backup > > a > > > ``full'' appearance." > > > > > > So, in theory, it sho

Re: [BackupPC-users] why are full backups needed with BackupPC?

2006-03-24 Thread Tomasz Chmielewski
Paul Fox wrote: > Why are full backups needed at all with BackupPC? > > According to documentation, "BackupPC's CGI interface ``fills-in'' > incremental backups based on the last full backup, giving every backup a > ``full'' appearance." > > So, in theory, it should be enough to make j

Re: [BackupPC-users] why are full backups needed with BackupPC?

2006-03-24 Thread Paul Fox
> Why are full backups needed at all with BackupPC? > > According to documentation, "BackupPC's CGI interface ``fills-in'' > incremental backups based on the last full backup, giving every backup a > ``full'' appearance." > > So, in theory, it should be enough to make just one full, init

[BackupPC-users] why are full backups needed with BackupPC?

2006-03-24 Thread Tomasz Chmielewski
Why are full backups needed at all with BackupPC? According to documentation, "BackupPC's CGI interface ``fills-in'' incremental backups based on the last full backup, giving every backup a ``full'' appearance." So, in theory, it should be enough to make just one full, initial backup, and th