On Wed, 19 Jan 2005 22:39:18 -0800, Rich Ater <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Gilberto,
> Sorry it has taken so long to respond.
>
G:
It's ok.
Gilberto:
> Christianity does not teach that Jesus is the last prophet. Christianity
> does teach that to really get access to God properly you
have
On Wed, 19 Jan 2005 19:17:17 -0800, Richard H. Gravelly
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> R. One day, in Palestine, an old Samaritan (or Samarian) > > and an old
> Muslim sat
> > together over tea. The Samarian had recently decided to convert to
> > Judaism;
> > but would not read anything beyond the
Gilberto,
Sorry it has taken so long to respond.
Christianity does not teach that Jesus is the last prophet.
Christianity does teach that to really get access to God properly you
have to go through Jesus. So in particular, what I would suggest is
that the part of Christianity which is
Dear friends,
I'm trying to get a hold of the email addresses of Marlene Chase, Keven
Brown, Eberhard von Kitzing and Arash Abizadeh. If someone could send them
to me privately I would appreciate it.
warmest, Susan
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In a message dated 1/19/2005 10:37:21 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Dear Janine,Here I cannot agree with you. There have been and there are excellent children class teachers who have been doing a great job. To me it shows stupidity of a decision by an LSA to require all chi
Janine:
"You may be right that you might not be considered qualified to give
childrens classes if you have not done book 3. And that is a perfectly
legitimate decision of any LSA to make."
Dear Janine,
Here I cannot agree with you. There have been and there are excellent
children class teachers wh
G. The different parameters of your hypothetical examples aren't
completely clear to me.
R. The parameters are not clear to the participants either.
R. One day, in Palestine, an old Samaritan (or Samarian) and an old Muslim
sat
together over tea. The Samarian had recently decided to convert to
J
What I was doing was expressing a concern more than making a observation.
For some reason, it is a very "hot" issue for me.
Dear Mark,
Well, when I think about the common element of those to things it is that
both seek to shape how others think. I have the same knee-jerk reaction to
Ruhi as you d
Hi, Susan,
At 07:05 PM 1/19/2005, you wrote:
>>The US military study method is pretty far apart from the Vatican's
>>Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith. It sounds like you are
>>associating Ruhi rather indiscriminately with everything you don't like. ;-}<<
What I was doing was expressin
In a message dated 1/19/2005 5:02:41 P.M. Central Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
However, the manner in which Ruhi encourages action is by resorting to
the U.S. military study method - which was also designed to get people to do
certain things (not that I am making a compari
Hi, Susan,
At 04:10 PM 1/19/2005, you wrote:
>>Perhaps they could but I don't think Ruhi is really indicative of a movement
>>in that direction. As one Counsellor told me, Ruhi was designed to get people
>>doing not believing certain things.<<
I agree that is the purpose of the institute/study
" My attitude is if there is a lack of response, and I find the matter
important enough, I make sure I go to all the levels, even if going to the
UHJ. Several people have said to me over the years that they do not wish to
trouble the House with issues they have. And I think that that is wrong."
De
"I do think it is possible that the ITC could express behavior similar to
the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith (or whatever)."
Dear Mark,
Perhaps they could but I don't think Ruhi is really indicative of a movement
in that direction. As one Counsellor told me, Ruhi was designed to get
p
So, why not ask your NSA directly? Or the UHJ?
Dear Janine,
I nearly did that recently when I wrote the House regarding another matter.
But a Counsellor wisely advised me against dumping all the gripes I had
collected over the last five years on them that way. ;-}
I stuck to the original purpos
" I think some people are more interested in a small group than others. It
may be that in your area a devotional in a house does not work, but one
cannot know that for certain until at least 4 or 5 people have tried it on a
regular basis. "
Dear Janine,
We don't have much choice where I live beca
"Yesterday or the day before I mentioned something Abdu'l-Baha wrote about
how, if we uphold a decision an assembly makes even when that decision is
wrong, through unity truth will shine. Susan remarked she believed that that
upholding was only for spiritual assembly members."
Whoah, Janine you ma
Besides World Tribunal, Guardian Writings refer to World Parliament too.
Dear Firouz,
This is the explanation which the House gives in its letter of April 27,
1995:
"The Administrative Order is certainly the nucleus and pattern of the World
Order of Bahá'u'lláh, but it is in embryonic form, and
Hello Richard,
The different parameters of your hypothetical examples aren't
completely clear to me. But I'll try to respond. As best as I can.
On Wed, 19 Jan 2005 12:13:32 -0800, Richard H. Gravelly
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> One day, in Palestine, an old Samaritan (or Samarian) and an old Mu
Consider the past. How many, both high and low, have, at all times, yearningly awaited the advent of the Manifestations of God in the sanctified persons of His chosen Ones. How often have they expected His coming, how frequently have they prayed that the breeze of divine mercy might blow, and the
Dear people,
My feeling is from being on Bahai lists for many years on the internet, is that people quickly take up an attitude of resignation when faced with something institutions agree on as a line of action and the individual disagrees.
From my study of the writings I have so far conclude
So, why not ask your NSA directly? Or the UHJ?
You see, I think fundamentalism is the last thing the world needs. It has been overemphasis of one aspect which lead religions into acts unworthy of the religion. I am quite viligant that this should not happen in the Bahai faith. So if I was concern
I want to totally make clear that I did not post these quotes to indirectly say: hey if you do not support ruhi you are not acting in accordance with the guidance.
I want to make that very very clear. I posted those quotes because I beleive that truth will arise when we act in accordance with gu
Dear Susan,
you are right I have not seen any statistics ;o)
I think a devotional meeting is not passing the prayer book around. I think it is creating a devotional atmosphere. I usually print out some quotes and prayers and try to make it as diverse as possible, with prayers from different r
I certainly agree that acting unanimously is a good thing and the providor of many blessings.
I certainly do not act against or disdain any decision made by an administrative body, heck, I serve on such bodies and I know how hard it is sometimes in the consultation and decision process.
I did
Yesterday or the day before I mentioned something Abdu'l-Baha wrote about how, if we uphold a decision an assembly makes even when that decision is wrong, through unity truth will shine. Susan remarked she believed that that upholding was only for spiritual assembly members.
I have not yet found
One day, in Palestine, an old Samaritan (or Samarian) and an old Muslim sat
together over tea. The Samarian had recently decided to convert to Judaism;
but would not read anything beyond the Torah; and so could not find a Rabbi
who would help him complete his conversion. The Muslim was born Su
I took up Susan on her challenge to ask about new prophets among Christians.
Below is my original question and the first few responses.
...
Hello,
I've been having a series of theological discussions with a group of
p
On Wed, 19 Jan 2005 12:25:35 -, Khazeh Fananapazir
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Dear Gilberto
> Highly respected correspondent
> When I wrote:
[kf]
Already we see a term introduced in the first pages of the Sacred Iqan which
would be "new" to the hearer [particularly] from the Islamic ba
Dear Susan,
I'm not sure what to make of that last statement, whether you are
suggesting
that Baha'is play down their belief in world peace through world
governance
or whether we should down play the role Baha'i institutions are eventually
expected to play in this process as we move from the Less
lol.
This one regularly forgets to review posts before sending.
From: "Khazeh Fananapazir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: "Baha'i Studies"
To: "Baha'i Studies"
Subject: RE: another Freudian slip!
Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 23:19:58 -
Dear James
Faithful devotee of Paul and the Process
You made
Susan:I hate deepening classes that treat me like a child. That is probably whyneither Ruhi or Core Curriculum appeal to me much. When the scissors and crayons come out I'm gone. But maybe that is just because I can't cut or color. ;-}
JS:
I feel the same way. Why can't we have study circles to st
"I remember when I did book 6, I had a problem with one of the editorial
comments about one of the quotations."
Dear Firouz,
I've had problems this way as well, though I've never done Book 6. But one
Baha'i insisted I wasn't giving firesides right because I wasn't keeping it
simple like Book 6 sa
Anybody can set up a study circle. We can always refer back to the UHJ
letters to bakc that up.
Dear Janine,
I know that, but it won't get counted as fulfilling any goals.
"So if Ruhi is not working in the USA, and counsellors go around telling
things which are not based in truth, like that Ruhi
I thought there is Core in the USA. Is that not considered an alternative?
Dear Janine,
The Fundamental Verities portion of the Core Curriculum existed prior to the
Study Circles and was then modified to meet the House's criteria for a basic
sequence of courses. But Ruhi got a head start here bec
" maybe I have understood it not correctly. But I got the idea from letters
by the UHJ that the institute process consists of study circles, childrens
classes and devotionals. Maybe I got that wrong."
Dear Janine,
No, those are the three core activities of the Five Year Plan. The hope is
that the
" Somehow I cannot see that in New Zealand the books would cost more than
here in Ireland."
Dear Janine,
They do, trust me. Shipping costs to New Zealand are astronimical.
warmest, Susan
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Book 6 gave me a scenario for the subjects which are
most important to be brought up in talking to another
about the bahai faith (I happen to agree with the
importance of the subjects book 6 suggest) and also
gave me a manner, a way of speakign and being with a
person one wants to tell about the B
"I never suggested any actual
impropriety, what I asked for was that the Ruhi Institute materials be
placed in the public digital domain, in order to avoid/mitigate any
semblance of impropriety,"
The problem Steve, is that I don't think anyone saw any semblance of
impropriety until you suggested i
Dear janine,
Thanks again for your reply. Talking about Adib Taherzadeh, I would like to
comment that I do admire him. I had an opportunity to meet him during my
pilgrimage in 1996 and I really did enjoy talking with him and listening to
him. In fact I should say that I have met quite a number
Dear Gilberto
Highly respected correspondent
When I wrote:
> Already we see a term
introduced in the first pages of the Sacred Iqan
> which would be "new" to the hearer [particularly] from the
Islamic background.
> Baha'u'llah calls the Prophets of God _"MANIFESTATIONS of God
in
Janine and James et al,
Your in danger of falling off your high horses. I never suggested any actual
impropriety, what I asked for was that the Ruhi Institute materials be
placed in the public digital domain, in order to avoid/mitigate any
semblance of impropriety, any possibility of pecuniary adv
thanks for your reply Susan.
I have difficulty understanding that a consolidated community would not grow much but that is maybe my take on what consolidation is and what effects it has.
I think any community that has say 50 believers and only 18 are seen regularly, is not a very consolid
Hi, folks,
This is just a reminder to please not trail the message you are replying to
after your own message. It is contrary to the list guidelines, but, even more
so, it generates many more digests for those in digest mode.
With regards, Mark A. Foster 15 Sites: http://markfoster.net
Lifewo
On Wed, 19 Jan 2005 05:51:50 -, Khazeh Fananapazir
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Consider the past. How many, both high and low, have, at all times,
> yearningly awaited the advent of the Manifestations of God in the sanctified
> persons of His chosen Ones
>(Baha'u'llah: The Kitab-i-Iq
I will only comment that what most Bahais call firesides are not firesides in my view at all. And I have noticed that I become less clear in teaching the more I use my own understanding of the faith, and that my words have more impact if i use in a natural way quotes from the writings when I tell
I will only comment that what most Bahais call firesides are not firesides in my view at all. And I have noticed that I become less clear in teaching the more I use my own understanding of the faith, and that my words have more impact if i use in a natural way quotes from the writings when I tell p
I am very sensitive when people start throwing doubts on other peoples motives publicly. To me it is slander. And I will continue to say so. And I have nothing against this person Steve. But anybody who makes a slanderous remark will hear something in protest from me. Even if that person is my dear
Anybody can set up a study circle. We can always refer back to the UHJ letters to bakc that up.
To be a recognised ruhi facillitator, one has to do book 7 and in some countries, Ireland for example, this one cannot do before one has done book 1,2,3,4,6.
but to set up any study circle one whi
I thought there is Core in the USA. Is that not considered an alternative?
and one can always ask for confirmation of the view of a counsellor by writing to the UHJ. They have known to disagree with the view of a counsellor before, and with the view of an NSA before.
much love,
janine van ro
In Ireland, also shipping costs, a ruhi book can cost anywhere between 5-8 euros. 8 at the most. Considering other books, that is not too costly, though not as cheap as USD 5 Still not enough to warrant a comment that someone could make money because they might get a percentage on the profits of th
Dear james
you write: internet lists have, at times, raised eyebrows precisely because someone makes a comment that is derrogatory about an institution or individuals on an institution. IMO, to make such a comment is never acceptable. The internet, however, seems to breed it and that, I feel, t
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