Re: Persepolis

2009-10-03 Thread Larry Marquardt
The Baha'i Studies Listserv Do we know the original condition of Persepolis? Interestingly, there are some specific details about this in the book: A Lifetime with Abdul-Baha Reminiscences of Khalíl Shahídí Translated and Annotated by Ahang Rabbani Appendix 6 pages 151-157

Re: Evolution from apes? bahá'í teachings

2009-10-03 Thread Ursus Maximus
The Baha'i Studies Listserv David, You have to look at this metaphorically. If you look at it literally, it makes no sense. Literally, humans and apes evolved from common ancestors. The concept of soul is a metaphor. We say humans have a soul. The human soul is a metaphor for what makes humans so

Baha'I laws

2009-10-03 Thread skg_zuka
The Baha'i Studies Listserv Are the summaries ate wikipedia and Bahaikipedia on Bahai laws and the summary page on Al-Kitab Al-Aqdas the only ones a Baha'I needs to know? How does the five level system of law in Islam figure into the Baha'I Faith? Obligatory, Exemplary, Neutral, Shameful,

Re: Baha'I laws

2009-10-03 Thread Loïc ROYER
The Baha'i Studies Listserv Regarding alcohol, as the bahai law is based on Bahaullah words telling all human to take care about all substances that could have an influence on their capacity of thinking and judgment, I think we should not take any religious interest for this kind of scientific

Re: Baha'I laws

2009-10-03 Thread skg_zuka
The Baha'i Studies Listserv To what extent is the prohibiton on alcohol meant? I heard in some Islamic countries they won't even use anything made or processed with alcohol. They won't even use rubbing alcohol for topical applications. They won't cook with alcohol or vanilla extract. They won't

Drugs other than Alcohol and Opium

2009-10-03 Thread skg_zuka
The Baha'i Studies Listserv Alcohol and opium (and opiates) are forbidden but its fuzzy on what is and is not an unnamed forbidden drug. Salvia divinorum Cannibais Cocaine Caffine What are their stati? What does it mean tobacco is discouraged but not forbidden? Why is it mentioned in one of the

Re: Baha'I laws

2009-10-03 Thread Adib Masumian
The Baha'i Studies Listserv To what extent is the prohibiton on alcohol meant? My understanding of the rule is that the prohibition on drinking alcohol encompasses any consumable solid or liquid containing a potentially inebriating amount of alcohol in it. I *think* this includes any food that

Re: Drugs other than Alcohol and Opium

2009-10-03 Thread Adib Masumian
The Baha'i Studies Listserv Dear skg_zuka, Alcohol and opium (and opiates) are forbidden but its fuzzy on what is and is not an unnamed forbidden drug. You are correct, as stated in verse 155 of the Kitab-i-Aqdas: Gambling and the use of opium have been forbidden unto you. Eschew them both, O

Prayer

2009-10-03 Thread skg_zuka
The Baha'i Studies Listserv In Islam there are obligatory prayers, but there are also a obligatory amount of repititions and times. There are also highly reccommeneded extra repitions and times! Does the Baha'I Faith have (not counting the general devotional prayers) such sunnah salat or highly

Re: Drugs other than Alcohol and Opium

2009-10-03 Thread Adib Masumian
The Baha'i Studies Listserv Sorry, I overlooked caffeine, the consumption of which is not forbidden to Baha'is. On Sat, Oct 3, 2009 at 3:32 PM, Adib Masumian adibmasum...@gmail.comwrote: The Baha'i Studies Listserv Dear skg_zuka, Alcohol and opium (and opiates) are forbidden but its fuzzy on

Re: Baha'I laws

2009-10-03 Thread Susan Maneck
The Baha'i Studies Listserv Are the summaries ate wikipedia and Bahaikipedia on Bahai laws and the summary page on Al-Kitab Al-Aqdas the only ones a Baha'I needs to know? May I ask who I am speaking to? A Baha'i does not necessarily need to know even that many laws, although they should be

Re: Prayer

2009-10-03 Thread Susan Maneck
The Baha'i Studies Listserv We do have obligatory prayers but the believers are free to chose between them and only some of them use the postures found in Islam. You can read their contents here: http://obligatoryprayers.blogspot.com/2009/01/daily-bahai-obligatory-prayers-numbered.html

Re: Drugs other than Alcohol and Opium

2009-10-03 Thread Susan Maneck
The Baha'i Studies Listserv Adib answered your question for most of these. As for the remaining: Caffine I'm not sure Baha'is would know what to do if we didn't have our tea. ;-} 'Abdu'l-Baha drank both coffee and tea so we don't have trouble with either one. What does it mean tobacco is

Re: Drugs other than Alcohol and Opium

2009-10-03 Thread Adib Masumian
The Baha'i Studies Listserv That's a dead link, so I'm not sure what you are talking about. I don't know the reference either but I think he meant http://www.bahaiprayers.org. On Sat, Oct 3, 2009 at 6:32 PM, Susan Maneck sman...@gmail.com wrote: The Baha'i Studies Listserv Adib answered your

Re: Drugs other than Alcohol and Opium

2009-10-03 Thread Susan Maneck
The Baha'i Studies Listserv I don't know the reference either but I think he meant http://www.bahaiprayers.org. But that doesn't point us to any specific prayer of the Bab. __ You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as:

Re: Drugs other than Alcohol and Opium

2009-10-03 Thread skg_zuka
The Baha'i Studies Listserv Yes, the one that begins with: O Divine Providence! Sent via BlackBerry by ATT -Original Message- From: Adib Masumian adibmasum...@gmail.com Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2009 18:36:58 To: Baha'i Studiesbahai-st@list.jccc.edu Subject: Re: Drugs other than Alcohol and Opium

Re: Eighth Valley?

2009-10-03 Thread skg_zuka
The Baha'i Studies Listserv Also expound on the use of the term limited with regards to the Valley of Knowledge versus the latter ones, please. Sent via BlackBerry by ATT -Original Message- From: Susan Maneck sman...@gmail.com Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2009 18:37:56 To: Baha'i

the Most Great Infallibility

2009-10-03 Thread Ursus Maximus
The Baha'i Studies Listserv In the Aqdas Baha'u'llah states that He hath no partner in the Most Great Infallibility. He confers a lesser infallibility on the other Central Figures. They are granted spiritual guidance that will not lead us astray. Baha'u'llah pointed out in the Iqan that one of

Re: the Most Great Infallibility

2009-10-03 Thread Ursus Maximus
The Baha'i Studies Listserv Oops, I mean the last paragraph to say In the Iqan not in teh Aqdas so it should be as follows: On Sat, Oct 3, 2009 at 7:44 PM, Ursus Maximus ursusmaxi...@gmail.comwrote: In the Aqdas Baha'u'llah states that He hath no partner in the Most Great Infallibility. He

Re: Drugs other than Alcohol and Opium

2009-10-03 Thread Don Calkins
The Baha'i Studies Listserv On Oct 3, 2009, at 2:12 35PM, skg_z...@yahoo.com skg_z...@yahoo.com wrote: Alcohol and opium (and opiates) are forbidden but its fuzzy on what is and is not an unnamed forbidden drug. On a practical level, what is prohibited is the recreational use of

Re: Drugs other than Alcohol and Opium

2009-10-03 Thread Don Calkins
The Baha'i Studies Listserv On Oct 3, 2009, at 6:13 39PM, skg_z...@yahoo.com skg_z...@yahoo.com wrote: Yes, the one that begins with: O Divine Providence! That's a prayer by Abdu'l-Baha, part of the Tablet of Purity. For context, see http://reference.bahai.org/en/t/ab/SAB/sab-130.html

Re: Drugs other than Alcohol and Opium

2009-10-03 Thread skg_zuka
The Baha'i Studies Listserv I just remembered to ask. What is the Baha'I position on smokeless tobacco products like chewing tobacco, snuff, snus, etc.? Sent via BlackBerry by ATT -Original Message- From: Don Calkins montana...@great-falls.net Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2009 21:22:48 To: Baha'i

Re: Eighth Valley?

2009-10-03 Thread Susan Maneck
The Baha'i Studies Listserv Also expound on the use of the term limited with regards to the Valley of Knowledge versus the latter ones, please. Could you post the passage you have in mind? __ You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as:

Re: the Most Great Infallibility

2009-10-03 Thread Susan Maneck
The Baha'i Studies Listserv In the Aqdas, Baha'u'llah shows that if scripture is in contradiction with reason, it should be looked at metaphorically, not literally. Ron, where does the Aqdas state that? Abdu'l-Baha says things along those lines but I'm pretty sure the Aqdas doesn't.

Re: the Most Great Infallibility

2009-10-03 Thread Susan Maneck
The Baha'i Studies Listserv In the Iqan (not the Aqdas, that was a mistake), Baha'u'llah shows that if scripture is in contradiction with reason, it should be looked at metaphorically, not literally That makes more sense. __ You are subscribed

Re: Drugs other than Alcohol and Opium

2009-10-03 Thread Adib Masumian
The Baha'i Studies Listserv What is the Baha'I position on smokeless tobacco products like chewing tobacco, snuff, snus, etc.? Smokeless tobacco isn't forbidden in the Faith (if the smoking kind isn't, why would smokeless be? ;)) so it's up to the individual. But considering `Abdu'l-Baha didn't

Re: Drugs other than Alcohol and Opium

2009-10-03 Thread Susan Maneck
The Baha'i Studies Listserv O Divine Providence! There is no such verse on that page. __ You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:arch...@mail-archive.com Unsubscribe: send a blank email to mailto:leave-463140-274...@list.jccc.edu