RE: Men and Women in the same room

2005-11-05 Thread firestorm
:"Sex between unmarried persons is out of the question, however." well. actually, if it were outside the question, it wouldn't come up. it might be more just to say that within the Baha'i Faith the expression of the sexual impulse is deemed to be only appropriate inside of marriage between a

RE: Men and Women in the same room

2005-11-05 Thread firestorm
sigh. in re the use of the word seems, imho it should always be accompanied by imho or the like. as i recall the House's comments on such, it is something like the firends are to thoroly familiarise themselves with the Text & Guidance on chastity, and then make their own decisions. in fac

Re: Men and Women in the same room

2005-10-30 Thread Gilberto Simpson
On 10/29/05, Susan Maneck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > "I've seen alot of rulings like that before. But something I noticed > about alot of those rulings is that the mufti didn't give alot of > sources to back up their position." > Dear Gilberto, > According to the 'usul of Islamic jurisprudence w

RE: Men and Women in the same room

2005-10-29 Thread Hasan Elias
Susan Maneck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> escribió: Yes, they can be alone together. As far as kissing goes, there are pilgrims'notes that suggest they should not, but nothing more authoritative thanthat. Sex between unmarried persons is out of the question, however.   ///   Dear Susan,   I found

RE: Men and Women in the same room

2005-10-29 Thread Max Jasper
Your confusion is not limited to this issue only. |This is rather confusing. You've got two dates for the same |letter. My recollection is that it was addressed to John |Cornell who use to post here regularly before his sudden |passing, not to an NSA. The information contained in this e-mail

RE: Men and Women in the same room

2005-10-29 Thread Susan Maneck
"I've seen alot of rulings like that before. But something I noticed about alot of those rulings is that the mufti didn't give alot of sources to back up their position." Dear Gilberto, According to the 'usul of Islamic jurisprudence wouldn't it be enough if this is ijma' or consensus of the 'ula

Re: Men and Women in the same room

2005-10-29 Thread Gilberto Simpson
On 10/29/05, Max Jasper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > |I've never ever seen a text which says that there is anything > |wrong with talking (in public) to a person of the opposite > |gender who isn't related to you. And I would suggest that if > |you find people who declare things like that, it

Re: Men and Women in the same room

2005-10-29 Thread Gilberto Simpson
On 10/29/05, Scott Saylors <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Gilberto Simpson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Scott: > You're right, I should have not said "normal" social interchange; because > that is permitted in Islam. Normalcy in social interchange is quite > different in western society than in easter

RE: Men and Women in the same room

2005-10-29 Thread Susan Maneck
'The Master's words to... which you quoted, can certainly be taken as the true spirit of the teachings on the subject of sex. We must strive to achieve this exalted standard.' (October 19, 1974) (From a letter of the Universal of Justice to the National Spiritual Assembly of the United States, Febr

RE: Men and Women in the same room

2005-10-29 Thread Max Jasper
Title: Message "The pilgrim's note reports the Master as saying:     The information contained in this e-mail and any attachments thereto ("e-mail") is sent by the Johnson County Community College ("JCCC") and is intended to be confidential and for the use of only the individual or ent

RE: Men and Women in the same room

2005-10-29 Thread Susan Maneck
"In the Bahai faith, are unmarried couples allowed to kiss? Be alone together?" Yes, they can be alone together. As far as kissing goes, there are pilgrims' notes that suggest they should not, but nothing more authoritative than that. Sex between unmarried persons is out of the question, however.

RE: Men and Women in the same room

2005-10-29 Thread Max Jasper
Title: Message |I've never ever seen a text which says that there is anything|wrong with talking (in public) to a person of the opposite|gender who isn't related to you. And I would suggest that if|you find people who declare things like that, it is more of a|cultural imperative.|Some in

Re: Men and Women in the same room

2005-10-29 Thread Scott Saylors
Tim Nolan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hi Gilberto,   >In the Bahai faith, are unmarried couples allowed to kiss? Be alone together?<   Kissing is discouraged between unrelated men and women; I don't know if it's actually forbidden.  As for being together alone in a roomsure, why not? It

Re: Men and Women in the same room

2005-10-29 Thread Scott Saylors
Gilberto Simpson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I've never ever seen a text which says that there is anything wrongwith talking (in public) to a person of the opposite gender who isn'trelated to you. And I would suggest that if you find people whodeclare things like that, it is more of a cultura

Re: Men and Women in the same room

2005-10-29 Thread Tim Nolan
Hi Gilberto,   >In the Bahai faith, are unmarried couples allowed to kiss? Be alone together?<   Kissing is discouraged between unrelated men and women; I don't know if it's actually forbidden.  As for being together alone in a roomsure, why not? It is possible for men and women to intera

Re: Men and Women in the same room

2005-10-29 Thread Gilberto Simpson
On 10/29/05, Scott Saylors <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Tim Nolan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Was there no recognition that men and women could simply talk, > and show friendship? Is that what was unthinkable? > Dear Tim, > It seems to me that in Eastern culture there are two kinds of women.

Re: Men and Women in the same room

2005-10-29 Thread Tim Nolan
Scott >Those to whom one is NOT related by blood or marriage, in which case normal social contact is not permissable.< Yes, I understand that.  I think this attitude is not confined to the Middle East. It seems to me this kind of behavior is based on an obsession with sex.  The assumption is

Re: Men and Women in the same room

2005-10-29 Thread Scott Saylors
Tim Nolan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:     Was there no recognition that men and women could simply talk, and show friendship?  Is that what was unthinkable?   Tim Nolan   Dear Tim,   It seems to me that in Eastern culture there are two kinds of women.   Those to whom one is related by bloo

RE: Men and Women in the same room

2005-10-27 Thread Susan Maneck
"Do you mean in Middle Eastern culture?" Yes. "Why was this unthinkable? Was it based on the assumption that men and women cannot relate in any way other than sex, so that if they are in the same room, there must be something immoral going on?" Yes. "Was there no recognition that men and wom

Men and Women in the same room

2005-10-27 Thread Tim Nolan
Hi Susan,   >It would have been unthinkable in the 19th century to have mixed genders consulting in the same room. <   Do you mean in Middle Eastern culture?  Why was this unthinkable? Was it based on the assumption that men and women cannot relate in any way other than sex, so that if they a