Re: [BangPypers] [OT] language fanaticism

2011-07-13 Thread Noufal Ibrahim
Kenneth Gonsalves writes: [...] > let us look at all points of view. In an ideal world, one chooses the > best tool for the job at hand. No quarrel. But the world is not ideal. > Compromises have to be made (or trade-offs). Given a task one has to > take into account deadlines, resources/skills

Re: [BangPypers] [OT] language fanaticism

2011-07-13 Thread Noufal Ibrahim
Kenneth Gonsalves writes: [...] >> a) Choose Pyramid web-framework because the ORM works well the >> existing database. >> >> b) Java project with heavy interaction with database. >> >> Which would you likely choose? My bet is a) because it is much easier >> for a python programmer with djan

Re: [BangPypers] [OT] language fanaticism

2011-07-13 Thread Kenneth Gonsalves
On Wed, 2011-07-13 at 15:10 +0530, Noufal Ibrahim wrote: > > I know my limitations - a, if the client agrees or c. But I *have* > > turned away work where my skill set does not fit. (I would not touch > > java with a bargepole - if that is language fanaticism, so be it). > > Maybe not code in the

Re: [BangPypers] [OT] language fanaticism

2011-07-13 Thread Kenneth Gonsalves
On Wed, 2011-07-13 at 15:07 +0530, Noufal Ibrahim wrote: > > > let us look at all points of view. In an ideal world, one chooses > the > > best tool for the job at hand. No quarrel. But the world is not > ideal. > > Compromises have to be made (or trade-offs). Given a task one has to > > take into

Re: [BangPypers] [OT] language fanaticism

2011-07-13 Thread Noufal Ibrahim
Kenneth Gonsalves writes: [...] > django - I like to sleep at night. I use apps written in all sorts of > languages, but never have and never will use a php app - unless it is > set up and supported by someone else and is running on a system for > which I am in no way responsible. To each his

Re: [BangPypers] [OT] language fanaticism

2011-07-13 Thread satyaakam goswami
> > > It's sometimes an option to simply use an app already available > > (e.g. Wordpress for blogging) rather than to go out and build a custom > > one. If building and deploying (and maintaining) a Django or Flask (or > > rails for that matter) blogging app takes 6 hours whereas setting up a > >

Re: [BangPypers] [OT] language fanaticism

2011-07-13 Thread Kenneth Gonsalves
On Wed, 2011-07-13 at 15:51 +0530, satyaakam goswami wrote: > > django - I like to sleep at night. I use apps written in all sorts > of > > languages, but never have and never will use a php app - unless it > is > > set up and supported by someone else and is running on a system for > > which I am

Re: [BangPypers] [FREE] python/django training

2011-07-13 Thread charantej.S
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Re: [BangPypers] [OT] language fanaticism

2011-07-13 Thread Sidu Ponnappa
> many bitter experiences - security is a nightmare for php apps. Take a > look at the number of security updates wordpress has per *month* - more > than django has had in 6 *years*. That is based on strong correlation between PHP applications and poor engineering. If we're having a philosophical

Re: [BangPypers] [OT] language fanaticism

2011-07-13 Thread Noufal Ibrahim
Sidu Ponnappa writes: >> many bitter experiences - security is a nightmare for php apps. Take a >> look at the number of security updates wordpress has per *month* - more >> than django has had in 6 *years*. > That is based on strong correlation between PHP applications and poor > engineering. >

Re: [BangPypers] [OT] language fanaticism

2011-07-13 Thread Baishampayan Ghose
>> why ?  any personal bad experience or some technical reasons? > > many bitter experiences - security is a nightmare for php apps. Take a > look at the number of security updates wordpress has per *month* - more > than django has had in 6 *years*. > > http://wordpress-security.net/wordpress-softw

Re: [BangPypers] [OT] language fanaticism

2011-07-13 Thread Noufal Ibrahim
Baishampayan Ghose writes: [...] > I don't understand how Django apps can automatically guarantee a > certain level of security while PHP applications can't. Are you trying > to indicate that each and every Django app that you've built is free > from any security hole? Some languages and frame

Re: [BangPypers] [OT] language fanaticism

2011-07-13 Thread Ramdas S
On Thu, Jul 14, 2011 at 10:03 AM, Noufal Ibrahim wrote: > Sidu Ponnappa writes: > >>> many bitter experiences - security is a nightmare for php apps. Take a >>> look at the number of security updates wordpress has per *month* - more >>> than django has had in 6 *years*. >> That is based on strong

Re: [BangPypers] [OT] language fanaticism

2011-07-13 Thread Tejas Dinkar
On Thu, Jul 14, 2011 at 10:31 AM, Baishampayan Ghose wrote: > IMHO if an application is insecure, it's the programmer who is to > blame and not the language/framework. While it is true that the responsibility is squarely on the programmer to make sure the app is secure, some frameworks do provide

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