Re: [BangPypers] [OT] David Goodger is our keynote speaker

Hi Everybody, This is my first post here. What a coincidence. I was just reading David Goodgers Code like a pythonista: Idiomatic python According to his

Re: [BangPypers] [OT] David Goodger is our keynote speaker

Hi Noufal, Thanks. I most probably will. I just need to figure out what I am going to speak for half an hour (the minimum time requirement). :-) On Sat, Jul 3, 2010 at 2:45 PM, Noufal Ibrahim wrote: > Santosh Rajan writes: > > > [...] > > > Also I just released an Open

Re: [BangPypers] Fwd: [Inpycon] T-shirt/Logo designs

Why don't you contact these guys. http://www.inkfruit.com/ I am suggesting them because I read an article about them in rediff recently. http://getahead.rediff.com/slide-show/2010/may/28/slide-show-1-achievers-interview-with-founders-of-inkfruit.htm

Re: [BangPypers] Fwd: [Inpycon] T-shirt/Logo designs

Hi Noufal, I entirely agree with you, nothing like the community coming up with the design. On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 3:56 PM, Noufal Ibrahim wrote: > Santosh Rajan writes: > > > Why don't you contact these guys. > > http://www.inkfruit.com/ > > > > <http://

Re: [BangPypers] PSF sponsoring Python sprints

Great. maybe we can hold a sprint along with PyCon 2010? One day before or after? On Fri, Jul 9, 2010 at 9:30 PM, Anand Balachandran Pillai < abpil...@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi all, > > If you want to take part in an Python sprint "officially", > this is the opportunity since PSF has opene

Re: [BangPypers] July meetup

31st is better for me also, bcos i will be in bangalore then. However this is my first time and i don't know how i could be useful/helpful. Atleast I can meet you all and see how I could be useful/helpful. On Fri, Jul 23, 2010 at 1:15 PM, Suryajith Chillara wrote: > +1 > > 31st is better. > > >

Re: [BangPypers] July meetup

Hi All, This is my first time and I really wish to contribute. I probably can make the phone calls. If you think I can do it send me the list with instructions and I will do the phone calls. Thanks Santosh On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 5:42 PM, Noufal Ibrahim wrote: > Anand Balachandran Pillai writ

Re: [BangPypers] July meetup

Hi All, I have volunteered to help out in setting up this next meetup. This is my first time here, and my first effort. The proposed date and time is 31/07/2010 1600hrs. Proposed venue is Thoughtworks, Diamond district. They have not yet confirmed with me regarding this, However I am in touch with

Re: [BangPypers] Beginner help

Just my 0.02$. I find Komodo Edit a great editor and it is free. Though the Komodo IDE is not. I used to use Notepad++ before that. On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 9:47 AM, Ramdas S wrote: > On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 9:36 AM, Radhakrishna Bhat > wrote: > > > Aptana may not be free. But the PyDev plugin for

Re: [BangPypers] how to read remote uploads

If i understood this correctly you specify the web url for the gps device right? Why not set the port in the url itself like http://example.com:9000/. So the gps sends directly to port 9000 and you have a web server listening on that port. Or have i missed something? On Mon, Oct 18, 2010 at 5:

Re: [BangPypers] When *not* to use Python

I have a slightly tangential take on this subject. I do web development and it is entirely python nowadays. Having said that let me quote Eric Raymond. *"Lisp is worth learning for the profound enlightenment experience you will have when you finally get it; that experience will make you a better pr

Re: [BangPypers] When *not* to use Python

ree with. On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 6:33 PM, steve wrote: > Hi, > > > On 10/20/2010 05:34 PM, Santosh Rajan wrote: > >> I have a slightly tangential take on this subject. I do web development >> and >> it is entirely python nowadays. Having said that let me quote Eri

[BangPypers] Random hacks of kindness 4th 5th Dec Bangalore

"On December 4th and 5th, 2010 Random Hacks of Kindness, in collaboration with partners worldwide, is hosting its third hackathon–a global gathering of hackers in many locations around the world, coming together in real time for a marathon weekend of coding around problems relating to natural disas

Re: [BangPypers] User group meeting

3am - 5am is a bit unearthly i guess! :-) On Fri, Nov 26, 2010 at 6:08 PM, Baiju M wrote: > On Fri, Nov 26, 2010 at 5:09 PM, Noufal Ibrahim wrote: >> >> Apologies if this is a repeat. My cellphone is not reliable. >> >> It's been a few months since the conference is done. We haven't had a >> Use

Re: [BangPypers] refactoring

I don't want to start an argument here. But here is my personal take on this. 1) A self respecting developer will NOT need to refactor his code in the first place. 2) Given the movement towards functional programming, you don't need refactoring at all. On Wed, Dec 1, 2010 at 4:33 PM, Kenneth Gons

Re: [BangPypers] refactoring

My 2 cents on this subject. I think the problem of differing viewpoints is mainly due to the fact that there are two kinds of software development. 1) Software product development 2) Bespoke software development. Let us look at software product development, and let us look at all the top open sou

Re: [BangPypers] PyCon India videos up

Good videos, especially for someone like me who missed pycon this year even though I had actually registered. Thanks. On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 6:10 PM, Noufal Ibrahim wrote: > On Tue, Dec 21 2010, Vishal wrote: > >> Checked out a few ones. They are good. Nice effort guys. >> >> A few ones have low

Re: [BangPypers] Creating PPT with graphs

Looks more like a systems engineering problem to me rather than a programming language problem. IMHO you should first exhaust all possibilities of using Unix services/Commands. Use code only where the logic dictates that you use a programming language. (where a shell script will not suffice). On

Re: [BangPypers] Multiplying very large matrices

Hope this helps http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1053928/python-numpy-very-large-matrices On Sat, Jan 15, 2011 at 10:11 PM, kunal ghosh wrote: > Hi all, > while implementing Locality Preserving Projections , > at one point i have to perform X L X.transpose() > these matrices are large (32256 x

[BangPypers] Python has become programming language of 2010

Python wins the TIOBE Programming Language Award of 2010! http://www.tiobe.com/index.php/content/paperinfo/tpci/index.html -- http://about.me/santosh.rajan ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bang

Re: [BangPypers] Ideas for Python concurrency...

Have you considered using queue's with multiprocessing? On Tue, Feb 8, 2011 at 2:15 PM, Vishal wrote: > On Tue, Feb 8, 2011 at 2:10 PM, Baishampayan Ghose wrote: > >> > Mutliprocessing means, data copying, talking to each other through PIPES, >> > also it has its issues with running on Windows (a

Re: [BangPypers] BangPypers meeting February 2011

My 2 cents before you jump into the nosql bandwagon. 1) If sql works for you, stick with it. RDBMS's like postgeSQL, MySQL will not wake you up in the middle of the night with a crash. 2) If you have scaling problems, add some horse power to you hardware, battery backed RAID, and solid state hard

Re: [BangPypers] BangPypers meeting February 2011

some people dont ever use the term 'noSQL' because it > sounds like 'No SQL' and if they must they say 'noSQL' stands for 'not only > SQL' and not what it sounds. > > /jeff > > On Sat, Feb 12, 2011 at 11:06 PM, Noufal Ibrahim wrote

Re: [BangPypers] NoSQL

Here is something for the lighter side. A NoSQL CV. :-) http://geekandpoke.typepad.com/geekandpoke/2011/01/nosql.html On Sun, Feb 13, 2011 at 3:24 PM, Noufal Ibrahim wrote: > On Sun, Feb 13 2011, Anand Balachandran Pillai wrote: > > > [...] > >> Hmmm, "better" in what sense ? By "better" if you

Re: [BangPypers] Proposed python module: simpleoauth

Good work. The original author of OAuth, Eran Hammer Lahav, had to go and bail out Twitter, back in 2009. The problem with this identity thing is that, there are only two ways to solve it. 1) Federated Identity. 2) Delegated Identity. You are doing Delegated Identity. Which has its its own probl

Re: [BangPypers] X-Post: Amazon Web Services User Group, Bangalore

Incidentally, reddit.com, which hosts on amazon web services, crashed last week. You can read about it here. http://blog.reddit.com/2011/03/why-reddit-was-down-for-6-of-last-24.html The reddit guys don't look too happy with

Re: [BangPypers] X-Post: Amazon Web Services User Group, Bangalore

> > > In my opinion if you are running production stuff in any datacenter you > need > to design your systems for failure. > > There in lies the crux of the whole thing. If you are hosting on a cloud service, who should design for failure? The host (Amazon) or you the service user? My take away fr

Re: [BangPypers] Python equivalent for Pelmonks.org

I think the perl monks have already answered your question. http://www.perlmonks.org/?node_id=511582 On Fri, Mar 25, 2011 at 4:23 PM, Jins Thomas wrote: > Hi all, > > Do we have some site which we can compare with perlmonks.org for Python. I > have seen perlmonks.org is very helpful with lot's

Re: [BangPypers] Fwd: Help with Python IDE's

If you are planning to work on Python in the long term, emacs is the way to go. If you are looking for something simple for the short term Komodo Edit is an excellent choice. Please note Komodo Edit is free, while Komodo IDE is not free. On Mon, Mar 28, 2011 at 9:13 AM, Anand Balachandran Pillai <

Re: [BangPypers] A python3 discussion

Yes indeed! getpython3.net is a good piece of work. Keep up the good work. On Fri, Apr 1, 2011 at 7:44 AM, Senthil Kumaran wrote: > > > http://programmers.stackexchange.com/questions/63859/why-do-people-hesitate-using-python-3/63935#63935 > > I think, Baiju (and others ) may feel good about Nick

Re: [BangPypers] User group meeting

Looks like a solution looking for a problem, rather than a problem looking for a solution. On Mon, Apr 4, 2011 at 10:24 AM, Senthil Kumaran wrote: > On Mon, Apr 04, 2011 at 10:19:53AM +0530, Noufal Ibrahim wrote: > > What by the way is mangrove? It's a bit of a fail for the docs and > > website i

Re: [BangPypers] User group meeting

onths before we are ready for production. > > On Mon, Apr 4, 2011 at 11:01 AM, Rajeev J Sebastian < > rajeev.sebast...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > Looks like a triple store, without the triples or the sparql ... > > > > Regards > > Rajeev J Sebastian >

Re: [BangPypers] mac IP

I think the solution below will give you all the ip addresses including 127.0.0.1. In any case this is not an easy one to solve. Depends on a lot of factors. You might want to revisit your original question on why you want the ip address? and which ip address (local or inet)?, and investigate wethe

Re: [BangPypers] Django + NoSQL

Simon Willison one of the original authors of Django is a great fan of Redis. http://simonwillison.net/static/2010/redis-tutorial/ On Wed, Apr 20, 2011 at 5:20 PM, Anush Shetty wrote: > Hi All, > > What is the most preferred NoSQL engine wi

Re: [BangPypers] [commercial] python/django training

I have been reading this thread with interest, and I think this whole thread is degenerating into a level of immaturity. >From my experience in software engg, in the last 30 years, I have learned that it takes me at least 3 months (this is only an average figure), to train someone, into start beco

Re: [BangPypers] [commercial] python/django training

On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 10:28 AM, ॥ स्वक्ष ॥ wrote: > Free software reverses all > cognitive bias'es (with respect to the individual's a(p)ttitude to > learning) and being an employer yourself, I hope you dont really mean > that people outside a University/College environment are not a worthy >

Re: [BangPypers] [commercial] python/django training

On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 1:41 PM, ॥ स्वक्ष ॥ wrote: > On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 07:08, Santosh Rajan wrote: > > > > Free software would also entail that the user of the free software owns a > > computer. That means that would easily disregard a large majority of the > >

Re: [BangPypers] [commercial] python/django training

On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 5:14 PM, Anand Balachandran Pillai < abpil...@gmail.com> wrote: > The price wars have started... Come on, is there someone now who is willing > to pay me to teach me Django ? > > hehehe. You could start from here! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Django_(film)

Re: [BangPypers] [commercial] python/django training

Do not reply to trolls! On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 7:29 PM, Noufal Ibrahim wrote: > vikas ruhil writes: > > >> @srinivasaenergy nice ,( city venue )? sure we team -up to train as > > open-source > it sounds good ! > > [...] > > Open source is not necessarily free of cost. > > > -- > Behind every g

[BangPypers] The myth of free software

I have been reading a few threads on this forum, and even participated in them. However I thought I must write my views on this subject separately. Also before I start my tirade, I want to make a couple of disclaimers. Come to think of it, I should make a blog post of this. However since my mind wa

Re: [BangPypers] The myth of free software

Thanks for your view and reply. On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 8:28 PM, Gora Mohanty wrote: > On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 8:22 PM, Santosh Rajan > wrote: > > I have been reading a few threads on this forum, and even participated in > > them. However I thought I must write my vie

Re: [BangPypers] The myth of free software

ill always remain a second class power in the software world. Do you know that the entire software exports of India today is only 5% of the total software exports of the world? Thanks to great people like you, we call ourselves a great software nation. Thank you again gentleman. > > On

Re: [BangPypers] The myth of free software

> > I've heard all sorts of arguments against FOSS*, but the idea that it is a > moral/nationalistic imperative to charge for software? This one is new. > Kudos. > I think you must read this thread very carefully again. Where did I say anything against FOSS? Where did I say software must be charge

Re: [BangPypers] The myth of free software

In that case why don't you explain your point in a very "coherent" manner, so that we lesser mortals get it. What are you saying with respect to the subject of this thread? On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 1:12 AM, Sirtaj Singh Kang wrote: > > On 17-May-11, at 12:59 AM, Santosh

Re: [BangPypers] The myth of free software

rious. But think about it. Seriously! On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 1:59 AM, Sirtaj Singh Kang wrote: > > On 17-May-11, at 1:32 AM, Santosh Rajan wrote: > > In that case why don't you explain your point in a very "coherent" manner, >> so that we lesser mortals get

Re: [BangPypers] The myth of free software

Thanks for your great viewpoint Guru. On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 7:19 AM, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: > On Mon, 2011-05-16 at 20:22 +0530, Santosh Rajan wrote: > > Disclaimer 2. I am not an expert on the subject of free Vs paid. > > this is obvious - I suggest you stick to things you a

Re: [BangPypers] The myth of free software

On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 7:40 AM, Ramdas S wrote: > > Ok let me tell you the whole story scientifically. > > > > "The chances of anyone succeeding with an Open Source Project or Startup > > Company is inversely proportional to the square of the distance between > San > > Fransisco and the location

Re: [BangPypers] The myth of free software

Tue, May 17, 2011 at 7:57 AM, Santosh Rajan > wrote: > > > > Ridiculous is the right word not hilarious, when you make such > > > generalisation, and spins new theories > > > > > > > Thanks for pointing out how ridiculous what I said was, and I am

Re: [BangPypers] The myth of free software

On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 8:29 AM, Venkatraman S wrote: > On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 8:25 AM, Santosh Rajan > wrote: > > > Hey, thanks for the good words, and I entirely agree with you. My humble > > effort here is to try and put a mirror in the face of the entire Indian > &

Re: [BangPypers] The myth of free software

Are you talking to thin air? You haven't quoted anything??? On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 11:19 AM, Noufal Ibrahim wrote: > You're confusing open source, free software and free of cost software. > Also, your approach and choice of words is not one that kindles a > healthy debate. I don't expect this t

Re: [BangPypers] The myth of free software

And ya, and you still don't have anything to say for yourself!??? On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 11:26 AM, Balachandran Sivakumar < benignb...@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi, > > On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 11:23 AM, Santosh Rajan > wrote: > > Are you talking to thin air

Re: [BangPypers] The myth of free software

gnb...@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi, > > On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 11:29 AM, Santosh Rajan > wrote: > > And ya, and you still don't have anything to say for yourself!??? > > > > Well, I normally don't reply when people use strong and foul > language(No, don&#x

Re: [BangPypers] The myth of free software

least bothered about 'idiot' or > 'ignorant' you have mentioned.. I would advise them to learn first than > discussing in this forum.. > > PS: > > OP should calm down and mind his words!! > > Regards, > > Gopalakrishnan Subramani > > > >

Re: [BangPypers] The myth of free software

Yes Indeed, you are right. On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 2:44 PM, steve wrote: > On 05/16/2011 08:22 PM, Santosh Rajan wrote: > >> [...snip...] >> >> So my question is, what shit are you talking about based in India? Please, >> Please Enlighten me? >> >>

Re: [BangPypers] The myth of free software

Hey, great argument, but I have some riders. Atleast, finally, I think we are on the same page. First of all, let us get one thing out of the way. Success in software/hardware, no matter where you are, entirely depends on on how passionate you are about it. We can't quantify a person's passion fo

Re: [BangPypers] The myth of free software

great! so let us assume for arguments sake, that whatever you say or pose is right! What answers do you have have for the questions posed below? 1. We've established that tech startups are at a disadvantage when based > outside SV. Why is this so? Specifically, what is different about FOSS-model >

Re: [BangPypers] The myth of free software

You still haven't seen the case I am making? In which case I shall admit defeat and rest my case! On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 8:23 PM, Sirtaj Singh Kang wrote: > > On 17-May-11, at 8:12 PM, Santosh Rajan wrote: > > great! so let us assume for arguments sake, that whatever you

Re: [BangPypers] The myth of free software

, May 17, 2011 at 8:34 PM, Sirtaj Singh Kang wrote: > > On 17-May-11, at 8:32 PM, Santosh Rajan wrote: > > You still haven't seen the case I am making? In which case I shall admit >> defeat and rest my case! >> > > Same. And I apologize to all for my

Re: [BangPypers] The myth of free software

(FUNCTION TROLL ((FUNCTION PRINT) "Hello World"))) On Wed, May 18, 2011 at 5:57 PM, steve wrote: > Hi Anand, > > > On 05/18/2011 01:03 PM, Anand Balachandran Pillai wrote: > >> Dude, you seriously have lots of free time on your hands... Here is what >> I (used to) do when I had time

Re: [BangPypers] The myth of free software

Ok I will agree to stop, under one condition, can you please explain the code I have written above? On Wed, May 18, 2011 at 6:30 PM, Sirtaj Singh Kang wrote: > > On 18-May-11, at 6:27 PM, Santosh Rajan wrote: > > (FUNCTION TROLL >> ((FUNCTION PRINT) >> "H