[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Pitch for French music

2008-02-14 Thread Edward Martin
Chris & all, Perhaps I stand corrected, but we really do not know how well the old strings were made. You make a very convincing argument on how some people may have devoted their lives to merely make a great, long-lasting treble string. Who knows? Perhaps they actually could make a treble s

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Pitch for French music

2008-02-14 Thread Anthony Hind
Perhaps when you say, "Again, there's no proof, but increasing the life of a treble string would undoubtedly have been one of the areas of prime concern. (Indeed, Mace in 1676 implies that trebles were stronger than the basses!)" it depends what that means. As I understand it, under equel ten

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Pitch for French music

2008-02-14 Thread Rob MacKillop
Hi Theo, Harpsichords and woodwind did not undergo a radical retuning as did the lute, which very likely dropped in tension as it dropped in pitch. Also, the 11c repertoire is almost exclusively solo - so, what other instruments were tuned to is arguably of no importance. But if you want to tune t

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Pitch for French music

2008-02-14 Thread Edward Martin
David gave the best description. It is more a matter of tension, than it is pitch. I am uncertain if the strings back in the period were better than ours today. That is unproven, and as we have no strings of which to compare, we really cannot assume they were better than what is available tod

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Pitch for French music

2008-02-14 Thread Rob MacKillop
>>>On 14/02/2008, T. Diehl-Peshkur <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > For most string instruments, the usual method was to tune the highest note > as high as comfortable, and go from there.<<< I haven't found a 17th or 18th-century French source for that. Have you? Without a quotation to back you up

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Pitch for French music

2008-02-14 Thread T. Diehl-Peshkur
Thanks everyone for the responses so far! The info on wind instruments and the prevalence of +/- 392Hz etc. is clearbut I am just not convinced yet... For most string instruments, the usual method was to tune the highest note as high as comfortable, and go from there. Especially when used for s

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Pitch for French music

2008-02-14 Thread Rob MacKillop
I play at 392 with a string length of 69. My baroque guitar is also at 392 for de Visee. This is a home recording of my 11c: http://www.rmguitar.info/mp3s/11c/TombeauDeDuBut.mp3 Some like that low pitch, others don't. You will read conflicting reports about pitch during this period in France, and