Dear Jorge,
Many thanks for the quotation from Gaultier's Preface, which tells us
how we should interpret the comma in baroque lute music. I would like to
add to what he has to say, and hopefully clarify things.
As I understand it, the comma is an appoggiatura. As Stephen Arndt says,
if the ornam
The comma is in baroque lute tablatures is a French ornament, and the
French did not cal it an appogiatura, but a tremblement (Gautier ca.
1670, Gaultier ca. 1672, Gallot, 1684). Calling it an appogiatura
confuses the issue. To the French it's a trill, not an appogiatura.
Regarding how m
That what Stephen Stubbs advocates, although my own preference is for
appogiatura even on long notes.
RT
From: "Stephen Arndt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Does the length of an ornamented note make a difference? I have noticed on
recordings that eighth notes and quarter notes tend to have an appogiatura
Does the length of an ornamented note make a difference? I have noticed on
recordings that eighth notes and quarter notes tend to have an appogiatura,
whereas dotted quarter notes tend to have a trill.
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>From: Markus Lutz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Sent: Aug 20, 2008 8:49 AM
In fact in baroque times it seemed to be the rule to play an appogiatura
as long or longer than half of the note. In a 3/4 measure an appogiatura
on an dotted minim should even last for two quarters (2 thirds of the note).
But very often in tablature appogiaturas are the only ornaments,
meani
Them keyboardists are not blameless themselves.
Those who come from the conservatory in Bologna trill everything.''
RT
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From: "Dale Young" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "baroque lute list" ; "Ed Durbrow"
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Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 5:44 AM
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C.P.E. Bach wrote that in the appogiatura, the dissonance should be held
AT LEAST half the value of the written note. Most preformers cheat on this,
making these "graces" sound more like annoying speach impediments. Even more
annoying, I also hear single comas played as trills. We all need t
And often the melody note belongs to the underlying harmony, whereas
the ornament is a dissonance?
Rob
2008/8/20 Ed Durbrow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
So many players interpret the comma ornament as an appogiatura in a
measured way. If this is correct, why didn't the composer just
So there is no confusion over which note is the 'melody' note and which
is the ornament?
Rob
2008/8/20 Ed Durbrow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
So many players interpret the comma ornament as an appogiatura in a
measured way. If this is correct, why didn't the composer just write
So many players interpret the comma ornament as an appogiatura in a
measured way. If this is correct, why didn't the composer just write
a note?
Ed Durbrow
Saitama, Japan
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www9.plala.or.jp/edurbrow/
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