Is there any member of "netinstrument" in our group? Could this
person organize some more pictures, also from the details? I think we
should be very careful with interpretations from this single picture.
But it's worth to see more from this instrument.
Andreas
Am 04.09.2009 um 18:10 schrieb Roman
"Martyn Hodgson" schrieb:
>Bear in mind that at the time of Old Gautier, the dance was still very
>much influenced by the original Italian ciaccona
My textbooks have it that Spanish poet Torres Naharro was the first to
call a peasant's song by the name Chacota in 1517. As a dance, the dan
Consider the original 10 single courses there.
RT
From: "Martyn Hodgson"
Quite possible. But from what I can see, the disposition of strings
suggests only 6 courses on the main peghead.
MH
Looks like a straightforward angelique to baroque lute conversion to
me.
RT
From: "Martyn
The lute and its case both remind me a bit of the instrument in the
museum in Fuessen: a rather small mid-16th century lute by Wolfgang
Wolf converted to a 12-course baroque lute (double basses) in 1646.
David
On Fri, Sep 4, 2009 at 5:54 PM, Martyn Hodgson wrote:
>
>
> Quite possible. But from
Sorry, I should have said five courses (like an archmandora) on the
fingerboard but perhaps if it really has 10 peg spaces it could still
be 6 courses ie 2 + 4x2.
MH
--- On Fri, 4/9/09, Martyn Hodgson wrote:
From: Martyn Hodgson
Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: An orig
Quite possible. But from what I can see, the disposition of strings
suggests only 6 courses on the main peghead.
MH
--- On Fri, 4/9/09, Roman Turovsky wrote:
From: Roman Turovsky
Subject: Re: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: An original Baroque lute for sale?
To: "Martyn Hodgson"
Looks like a straightforward angelique to baroque lute conversion to me.
RT
From: "Martyn Hodgson"
I'm impressed by what looks like an old case.
The instrument itself is clearly not any mainstream 'baroque' lute but
that doesn't mean it's a fake: it could be, for example, an instrument
Bear in mind that at the time of Old Gautier, the dance was still very
much influenced by the original Italian ciaccona which was indeed fast
and sort of syncopated (best sources for seeing the transitional styles
are possibly Corbetta's [and others] guitar chaconnes). Only in the
I'm impressed by what looks like an old case.
The instrument itself is clearly not any mainstream 'baroque' lute but
that doesn't mean it's a fake: it could be, for example, an instrument
like Dalla Casa's arcliuto francese or an archmandora, but both of
these are 18th century in
Dear Stewart,
you're most probably right, and the picture is not as detailed as it
should be.
My guess is that the instrument went through so many modifications that...
Not having any picture of the back is very very difficult to say
anything more.
Best,
Luca
Stewart McCoy on 4-09-2009
That's something of her own choice, IMHO, to take this piece rather
brisk. Quite opposed to what the rhythm suggests, viz. sarabande in
terms of rhythm, tempo and gesture. Obviously, she decided to go
sporting some of her virtuosity, as the last couple, which she
improvised on her own, shows in par
Dear Luca,
Thank you for showing us this old instrument. There are 15 pegs, but it
is not clear how many courses (if any) are double. As far as I know,
they didn't have lutes like this in 1640. The extra peg-box and the
large number of body frets make me think that the instrument is not as
old as
IMNHO all chaconnes 'gotta have swing'.
RT
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From:
To:
Sent: Friday, September 04, 2009 9:50 AM
Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Gaultier chaconne timing
All:
I was learning a Vieux Gaultier Chaconne (CRNS ed. no. 49, p.60). It is
written in the timing of 3 beats per m
All:
I was learning a Vieux Gaultier Chaconne (CRNS ed. no. 49, p.60). It is written
in the timing of 3 beats per measure, and I was playing rather even. I then
heard the recording by Claire Antonini (Les Luthistes Francais au XVIIeme
siecle, Societe Francaise de Luth, 2007; www.sf-luth.org)
Seems it had to be everybody's darling:
- twelve courses (6+6 disposition typical for double-headed 12c lutes)
- single bass strings like with the arciliuto
- swan neck (not 1640, I guess)
- rose and soundboard frets suggest 20th century rebuilding
- suitcase suggests still another pegbox config
Very interesting.
Another angelique conversion?
RT
- Original Message -
From: "Luca Manassero"
To: ;
Sent: Friday, September 04, 2009 8:40 AM
Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] An original Baroque lute for sale?
Here: http://www.netinstruments.com/lutes/lute/ornate-baroque-lute-1640/
and
ht
Try this Haendel minuet -
http://polyhymnion.org/swv/images/haend-saut.pdf
RT
- Original Message -
From: "Luca Manassero"
To:
Sent: Friday, September 04, 2009 4:09 AM
Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Baroque lute primer
Dear Baroque Lutenists,
one month ago Hendrik Hasenfuss delivered a
Here: http://www.netinstruments.com/lutes/lute/ornate-baroque-lute-1640/
and
http://www.netinstruments.com/lutes/lute/ornate-baroque-lute-1640/image/37495.jpg/
Restoration will take the usual 10 to 12 years, I guess ;-)
Luca
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Hello
Perhaps it was not mentioned on this list:
The Staatsbibliothek Berlin bought a contemporary copy of BWV 996
from 1725 (future signature 55 MS 10149), written by Heinrich
Nikolaus Gerber. In the Praeludio there are some graces, written with
"Rötelstift". It's notated in c- and f-key.
> From: Luca Manassero
> Anthony Bayles anthology ("32 Easy Pieces for Baroque Lute") printed
> by Tree Edition to select a few pieces to start with.
>
> I'm eager to get hints and suggestions which other pieces would you
> consider a good starting point: not methods (Satoh or Serdoura or
> other
Dear Baroque Lutenists,
one month ago Hendrik Hasenfuss delivered a superbe 11 course
Baroque lute based on the Tielke (MI394, 1696) at the Germanisches
Nationalmuseum in Nuernberg.
(I am sure you know already, but there is a very interesting site on
Joachim Tielke and his instruments at
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