[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Giesbert revisited

2005-10-09 Thread Roman Turovsky
winner is. Fill in the blank, and white a few lines about Finnish lute Mss. RT - Original Message - From: "Arto Wikla" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Sunday, October 09, 2005 3:05 PM Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Giesbert revisited > > Dear luteni

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Giesbert revisited

2005-10-09 Thread Dale Young
October 09, 2005 3:05 PM Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Giesbert revisited > > Dear lutenists, > > first I write an off-topic comment (lute-wise) and the more on-topic. > > On Fri, 7 Oct 2005, Dale Young wrote: > >> I apologize for Dresden too. Horrible mistake. &

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Giesbert revisited

2005-10-09 Thread Arto Wikla
Dear lutenists, first I write an off-topic comment (lute-wise) and the more on-topic. On Fri, 7 Oct 2005, Dale Young wrote: > I apologize for Dresden too. Horrible mistake. Dresden was not an exception, it was the rule. Dresden just was so crowded and the bombing so "succesfull". But burnin

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Giesbert revisited

2005-10-07 Thread Greg Silverman
Mathias, Thank you for taking the time to translate this article. Most fascinating. Again, my comments were definitely NOT aimed at Herr Giesbert and most certainly NOT at the German people. Regardless of intent, I had assumed that Fraktur was the "official" script/font sanctioned by the German

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Giesbert revisited

2005-10-07 Thread Dale Young
h. Edu" Sent: Friday, October 07, 2005 7:50 AM Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Giesbert revisited > Dear Mr. Silverman (isn't that a German name too?? very suspicious!), > > I think you did wrong accusing Giesbert and insulting all Germans living > now as if they were collabo

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2005-10-07 Thread Mathias Rösel
"Greet Schamp" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schrieb: > Perhaps the answers by Rainer and Matthias , especially the German texts > should be translated to be understood properly by you. here is my attempted translation of the link given by Rainer http://home.arcor.de/lutz.schweizer/schrifterlass.html 1

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Giesbert revisited

2005-10-07 Thread Greg M. Silverman
e@cs.dartmouth.edu> > *Sent:* Friday, October 07, 2005 12:06 PM > *Subject:* [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Giesbert revisited > > Stuart Walsh wrote: > > > > > I vividly remember - this is from the old Lute Society summer > schools, > > a long time

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2005-10-07 Thread Arthur Ness
Message - From: Greg M. Silverman To: baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Friday, October 07, 2005 12:06 PM Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Giesbert revisited Stuart Walsh wrote: > > I vividly remember - this is from the old Lute Society summer schools, > a long time ag

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Giesbert revisited

2005-10-07 Thread Arthur Ness
ROQUE-LUTE] Re: Giesbert revisited Stuart Walsh wrote: > > I vividly remember - this is from the old Lute Society summer schools, > a long time ago - talking to two German lutenists. They were > committed socialists and they, as Germans were surprisingly hostile to >

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Giesbert revisited

2005-10-07 Thread Roman Turovsky
>> Recorder Method) was my introduction into early music when I was a >> teenager. When beginning with the lute it was a nice surprise >> discovering his baroque lute method in "Ars Antiqva" (Madrid). The >> handwritten text is absolutely marvelous, and please keep in mind that >> many books were p

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2005-10-07 Thread Manolo Laguillo
Regarding F. J. Giesbert: I am profoundly in debt with him since many years ago: his "Schule fuer die Altblockfloete", Schott, 1937 (Treble Recorder Method) was my introduction into early music when I was a teenager. When beginning with the lute it was a nice surprise discovering his baroque lu

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Giesbert revisited

2005-10-07 Thread Roman Turovsky
Now it makes sense: that explains the scripty font! Very much in the baroque style favored by the Reich. >>>what the heck is the Reich? And which one is the baroque style favoured >>>by the Reich?!? Please help me get to know. > I vividly remember - this is from the old Lute Society summer

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Giesbert revisited

2005-10-07 Thread Greg M. Silverman
Stuart Walsh wrote: > > I vividly remember - this is from the old Lute Society summer schools, > a long time ago - talking to two German lutenists. They were > committed socialists and they, as Germanswere surprisingly hostile to > the Giesbert book. They really did think it had something to do

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Giesbert revisited

2005-10-07 Thread Stuart Walsh
Greg M. Silverman wrote: >Mathias Rösel wrote: > > > >>"Greg Silverman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schrieb: >> >> >> >> >>>Now it makes sense: that explains the scripty font! Very much in the >>>baroque style favored by the Reich. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>what the heck is the Reich? And which

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Giesbert revisited

2005-10-07 Thread Gernot Hilger
Thank you, Greet. Zitat von Greet Schamp <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Dear Mr. Silverman (isn't that a German name too?? very suspicious!), > > I think you did wrong accusing Giesbert and insulting all Germans living > now as if they were collaborating with or responsible for the mistakes > of Hitler.

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Giesbert revisited

2005-10-07 Thread Greet Schamp
t; >Now it makes sense: that explains the scripty font! Very much in the >baroque style favored by the Reich. > >Would be interested in the history of Herr Giesbert. Is he still alive? >Etc., etc. > >Danke Schoen! > >Greg-- > > > > > > >>- O

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Giesbert revisited

2005-10-07 Thread Spring, aus dem, Rainer
D] Dartmouth. Edu; Greg Silverman > Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Giesbert revisited > > my introduction to the oddness that is Hagen!! It's best if > you want to play from Weiss on out. ( Is there anything > else?) Ooo. There's fightin' > words. >All pri

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Giesbert revisited

2005-10-07 Thread Mathias Rösel
Schott's page of Giesbert's works: http://www.schott-music.com/artist/show,7364.html Regards, Mathias -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Giesbert revisited

2005-10-07 Thread Mathias Rösel
"Greg Silverman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schrieb: > Now it makes sense: that explains the scripty font! Very much in the > baroque style favored by the Reich. what the heck is the Reich? And which one is the baroque style favoured by the Reich?!? Please help me get to know. > Would be interested in

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Giesbert revisited

2005-10-07 Thread Mathias Rösel
"Dale Young" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schrieb: >All printed in the Reich directed Fractur script. Quite lovely to look > at. The font that says "we hate you". Arbeit mach frei.--Dale the master copy was handwritten, and the font is _not_ fraktur. But your remark explains something to me. Thank you

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Giesbert revisited

2005-10-06 Thread Greg Silverman
-- Original Message - >From: "Greg Silverman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: "[EMAIL PROTECTED] Dartmouth. Edu" >Sent: Thursday, October 06, 2005 8:36 PM >Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Giesbert revisited > > > > >>sterling price w

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2005-10-06 Thread Dale Young
. Arbeit mach frei.--Dale - Original Message - From: "Greg Silverman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "[EMAIL PROTECTED] Dartmouth. Edu" Sent: Thursday, October 06, 2005 8:36 PM Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Giesbert revisited > sterling price wrote: > >>I'

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2005-10-06 Thread Greg Silverman
sterling price wrote: >I'm not too familar with Giesbert. When was the book >written, and is it any good? > > Published in 1940, and you bet your bippy it's good. Some very nice pieces within that are accessible to even a rank beginner (such as myself). >Sterling > >--- Dale Young <[EMAIL PRO

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Giesbert revisited

2005-10-06 Thread Greg Silverman
omewhere as PDF? If not, I can get some web space. Greg-- > - Original Message - From: "Greg M. Silverman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Cc: "[EMAIL PROTECTED] Dartmouth. Edu" > Sent: Thursday, October 06, 2005 10:25 AM > Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: G

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Giesbert revisited

2005-10-06 Thread sterling price
I'm not too familar with Giesbert. When was the book written, and is it any good? Sterling --- Dale Young <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I'll pay the old Gieser when he shows up at my door. > BTW...the trans is > worthless without THE BOOK. They should pay me > royalties if it increases > their s

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2005-10-06 Thread Dale Young
outh. Edu" Sent: Thursday, October 06, 2005 10:25 AM Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Giesbert revisited > Dale Young wrote: > >> I own a translation of the entire text. I might be able to scan it and >> make copies available.-- Dale > > > Wizzo! That would be

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Giesbert revisited

2005-10-05 Thread Ed Durbrow
On Oct 6, 2005, at 9:21 AM, Dale Young wrote: > I own a translation of the entire text. I might be able to scan it > and make > copies available.-- Dale > That would be a service to the English speaking Baroque lute community. Ed Durbrow Saitama, Japan [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www9.plala.or.j

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Giesbert revisited

2005-10-05 Thread Dale Young
I own a translation of the entire text. I might be able to scan it and make copies available.-- Dale - Original Message - From: "Greg M. Silverman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: "[EMAIL PROTECTED] Dartmouth. Edu" Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2005 3:58 PM Subject: [

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Giesbert revisited

2005-10-05 Thread Greg M. Silverman
Charles Browne wrote: >I bought a copy of Giesbert's 'School for baroque lute' from Schott & Sons in >London. They had to order from Germany but it only took a week. The shop >assistant at Schott's remarked that he could not remember selling another copy. >I wonder how many non german-speaking lut