[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Male alto in Lute songs? wasTransposing lute tablature on sight

2011-12-03 Thread howard posner
On Dec 3, 2011, at 1:57 AM, Martyn Hodgson wrote: > Thank you for this Howard and for your time. And thank you for restating what you'd already written. Since I've already responded to it, I'll spare the list further comment. -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://ww

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Male alto in Lute songs? wasTransposing lute tablature on sight

2011-12-03 Thread Roman Turovsky
uot;howard posner" Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2011 4:57 AM Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Male alto in Lute songs? wasTransposing lute tablature on sight Thank you for this Howard and for your time. My starting point in any discussion on performance practice is a belief that the p

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Male alto in Lute songs? wasTransposing lute tablature on sight

2011-12-03 Thread Martyn Hodgson
Diary which lists many international concerts, festivals, conferences, workshops and lectures... Martyn --- On Fri, 2/12/11, howard posner wrote: From: howard posner Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Male alto in Lute songs? wasTransposing lute tablature on sight To:

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Male alto in Lute songs? wasTransposing lute tablature on sight

2011-12-02 Thread Roman Turovsky
tments of performance. RT - Original Message - From: "Roman Turovsky" To: "Baroque lute Dmth" ; "lute mailing list list" ; "howard posner" Sent: Friday, December 02, 2011 2:07 PM Subject: Re: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Male alto in Lute songs? wasTrans

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Male alto in Lute songs? wasTransposing lute tablature on sight

2011-12-02 Thread wikla
t; > - Original Message - > From: "Roman Turovsky" > To: "Baroque lute Dmth" ; "lute mailing list > > list" ; "howard posner" > Sent: Friday, December 02, 2011 2:07 PM > Subject: Re: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Male alto in Lute songs?

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Male alto in Lute songs? wasTransposing lute tablature on sight

2011-12-02 Thread Roman Turovsky
quot; ; "howard posner" Sent: Friday, December 02, 2011 2:07 PM Subject: Re: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Male alto in Lute songs? wasTransposing lute tablature on sight The "most-accomplished players" are usually the ones own several variously pitched lutes, for said occacions. RT

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Male alto in Lute songs? wasTransposing lute tablature on sight

2011-12-02 Thread Roman Turovsky
The "most-accomplished players" are usually the ones own several variously pitched lutes, for said occacions. RT - Original Message - On Dec 2, 2011, at 10:48 AM, Nancy Carlin wrote: A while back on the lute list there was a link to Hector Sequera's dissertation about Paston - ve

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Male alto in Lute songs? wasTransposing lute tablature on sight

2011-12-02 Thread howard posner
On Dec 2, 2011, at 10:48 AM, Nancy Carlin wrote: > A while back on the lute list there was a link to Hector Sequera's > dissertation about Paston - very interesting. It's 100 years earlier, Actually, Paston, being Elizabethan, is the period we're talking about. You were led astray by my ex

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Male alto in Lute songs? wasTransposing lute tablature on sight

2011-12-02 Thread Nancy Carlin
A while back on the lute list there was a link to Hector Sequera's dissertation about Paston - very interesting. It's 100 years earlier, but goes into a lot of detail about the various keys in the Paston manuscripts and the sizes of lutes that would have been available to Paston. It

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Male alto in Lute songs? wasTransposing lute tablature on sight

2011-12-02 Thread Roman Turovsky
From: "howard posner" On Dec 2, 2011, at 7:58 AM, Martyn Hodgson wrote: I see several fundamental flaws in your conclusion. First, male altos' range considerations are no different from those of female altos or baritones or basses. So male altos are relevant > to the question of transposing

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Male alto in Lute songs? wasTransposing lute tablature on sight

2011-12-02 Thread howard posner
On Dec 2, 2011, at 7:58 AM, Martyn Hodgson wrote: > As David Hill points out (have you bothered > to read his paper?) the voice generally expected when the songs were > composed was soprano/tenor. As he says, the male alto, to take David > Van Oijan's personal preference, was certainly ar

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Male alto in Lute songs? [wasTransposing lute tablature on sight [was Re: A=392]]

2011-12-02 Thread Martyn Hodgson
Howard, You seem not to have read the mailings (yet again) and have therefore missed the entire point. As David Hill points out (have you bothered to read his paper?) the voice generally expected when the songs were composed was soprano/tenor. As he says, the male alto, to take D

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Male alto in Lute songs? [wasTransposing lute tablature on sight [was Re: A=392]]

2011-12-01 Thread William Samson
>>I'm afraid I'm going to mention the dreaded 'e' word again: what evidence have you that the male alto ('countertenor') voice was used historically to perform lute songs? Aw come on Martyn! You'll be telling us next that lute players didn't wear jester outfits or sing 'Hey N

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Male alto in Lute songs? [wasTransposing lute tablature on sight [was Re: A=392]]

2011-12-01 Thread David van Ooijen
On 1 December 2011 11:51, Martyn Hodgson wrote: > I'm afraid I'm going to mention the dreaded 'e' word again: what evidence > have you that the male alto ('countertenor') voice was used historically to > perform lute songs? Oh dear, caught by the Early Music Police! And there was I thinking I