Re: [beagleboard] Re: Banging my head against WiFi

2014-07-09 Thread pemorlen
Thank you for taking the time to respond. All excellent points, and I will heed them all in the future. On Tuesday, July 8, 2014 5:17:59 PM UTC-4, William Hermans wrote: > > PaulM ( I guess ? ) > > You need to realize several things. First in this group the same questions > get asked all the ti

Re: [beagleboard] Re: Banging my head against WiFi

2014-07-08 Thread jubishop
this is awesome. with the HDMI disabled in uEnv.txt all my tiny ethernet adapters now work fast and consistently. we should make this fact somehow more visible, i feel. On Tuesday, July 8, 2014 9:02:02 AM UTC-7, Gerald wrote: > > It should. > > Gerald > > > > On Tue, Jul 8, 2014 at 10:57 AM, W

Re: [beagleboard] Re: Banging my head against WiFi

2014-07-08 Thread jubishop
so true. for my own part just want to say i'm sorry for my outburst of frustration and super thankful for anybody willing to try and help me. as an expert in a few things, i know how annoying it can be to help n00bs...but as a n00b in most things, i also know how infinitely helpful it can be.

Re: [beagleboard] Re: Banging my head against WiFi

2014-07-08 Thread William Hermans
PaulM ( I guess ? ) You need to realize several things. First in this group the same questions get asked all the time. For which there have already been appropriate responses So searching the groups *first* *should be* what anyone needing answers should do. Secondly, interjecting with what I coul

[beagleboard] Re: Banging my head against WiFi

2014-07-08 Thread pemorlen
Thanks for the feedback - all good advice! On Thursday, July 3, 2014 8:31:02 PM UTC-4, jubishop wrote: > > I have > http://www.amazon.com/Edimax-EW-7811Un-Adapter-Raspberry-Supports/dp/B003MTTJOY > > and I also have http://www.adafruit.com/products/814 and I'd trade a > kidney to get either o

Re: [beagleboard] Re: Banging my head against WiFi

2014-07-08 Thread John Syn
From: William Hermans Reply-To: "beagleboard@googlegroups.com" Date: Tuesday, July 8, 2014 at 11:36 AM To: "beagleboard@googlegroups.com" Subject: Re: [beagleboard] Re: Banging my head against WiFi > http://www.wikihow.com/Ask-a-Question-Intelligently A

Re: [beagleboard] Re: Banging my head against WiFi

2014-07-08 Thread William Hermans
http://www.wikihow.com/Ask-a-Question-Intelligently On Tue, Jul 8, 2014 at 11:20 AM, John Syn wrote: > > From: > Reply-To: "beagleboard@googlegroups.com" > Date: Tuesday, July 8, 2014 at 9:42 AM > To: "beagleboard@googlegroups.com" > Subject: Re: [be

Re: [beagleboard] Re: Banging my head against WiFi

2014-07-08 Thread John Syn
From: Reply-To: "beagleboard@googlegroups.com" Date: Tuesday, July 8, 2014 at 9:42 AM To: "beagleboard@googlegroups.com" Subject: Re: [beagleboard] Re: Banging my head against WiFi > "useless complaints"? Was that really called for? I was trying to show

[beagleboard] Re: Banging my head against WiFi

2014-07-08 Thread jubishop
that seems reasonable. thanks for all your thoughtful help Robert! -- For more options, visit http://beagleboard.org/discuss --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "BeagleBoard" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send

Re: [beagleboard] Re: Banging my head against WiFi

2014-07-08 Thread Robert Nelson
On Tue, Jul 8, 2014 at 12:42 PM, jubishop wrote: > i thought it was funny that you got called out when really i was waaay more > whiny than you. :) You had detailed information.. So we knew what chipset and what kernel. He knew his "chipset" and what "os" but didn't care to tell us any of that.

[beagleboard] Re: Banging my head against WiFi

2014-07-08 Thread jubishop
i thought it was funny that you got called out when really i was waaay more whiny than you. :) -- For more options, visit http://beagleboard.org/discuss --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "BeagleBoard" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop

Re: [beagleboard] Re: Banging my head against WiFi

2014-07-08 Thread pemorlen
"useless complaints"? Was that really called for? I was trying to show empathy to what seemed to be a frustrated user. For a first-time poster to these forums, I hope this is not representative of the level of civility one can expect. On Tuesday, July 8, 2014 11:13:19 AM UTC-4, RobertCNelson

Re: [beagleboard] Re: Banging my head against WiFi

2014-07-08 Thread William Hermans
Ok cool. Thanks Gerald. Just to add to the discussion. I've used Tiny and cheap ( $.50 ea ) bluetooth dongles in the past, and they seemed to install / operate fine. Problem was they all had the same MAC address, and I could not find a proper work around. So communicating between two of these was

Re: [beagleboard] Re: Banging my head against WiFi

2014-07-08 Thread Gerald Coley
It should. Gerald On Tue, Jul 8, 2014 at 10:57 AM, William Hermans wrote: > Gerald, > > So if hdmi ( both audio and video ) are disabled via uEnv.txt. Would this > make a difference ? > > > On Tue, Jul 8, 2014 at 8:54 AM, Gerald Coley > wrote: > >> The issue makes the susceptibility of some

Re: [beagleboard] Re: Banging my head against WiFi

2014-07-08 Thread William Hermans
Gerald, So if hdmi ( both audio and video ) are disabled via uEnv.txt. Would this make a difference ? On Tue, Jul 8, 2014 at 8:54 AM, Gerald Coley wrote: > The issue makes the susceptibility of some dongles to interference worse. > Some dongles work just fine. It is due to the closeness to the

[beagleboard] Re: Banging my head against WiFi

2014-07-08 Thread jubishop
Ahhh interesting! So I don't need that HDMI connector for anything. Is it possible for me to disable it, or very carefully pry it off? -- For more options, visit http://beagleboard.org/discuss --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "BeagleBoard" group.

Re: [beagleboard] Re: Banging my head against WiFi

2014-07-08 Thread Gerald Coley
The issue makes the susceptibility of some dongles to interference worse. Some dongles work just fine. It is due to the closeness to the HDMI connector. The HDMI connector is grounded. Gerald On Tue, Jul 8, 2014 at 10:50 AM, jubishop wrote: > i'm still having success with the KEEBOX which is t

[beagleboard] Re: Banging my head against WiFi

2014-07-08 Thread jubishop
i'm still having success with the KEEBOX which is the most minimal on the list of known supported wifi adapters. i'm curious about the physics of the problem that apparently the dongle needs to be away from the plane of the board, or something? is there any way to shield the board to prevent

Re: [beagleboard] Re: Banging my head against WiFi

2014-07-08 Thread Gerald Coley
http://www.elinux.org/Beagleboard:BeagleBoneBlack#WIFI_Adapters Gerald On Tue, Jul 8, 2014 at 10:28 AM, Jesse Cobra wrote: > Specifically this model > Tp link tl-wn722n > And netgear wna1100 n150 > > Both work out of the box... PNP... > On Jul 8, 2014 8:21 AM, "Jesse Cobra" wrote: > >> Ather

Re: [beagleboard] Re: Banging my head against WiFi

2014-07-08 Thread Jesse Cobra
Specifically this model Tp link tl-wn722n And netgear wna1100 n150 Both work out of the box... PNP... On Jul 8, 2014 8:21 AM, "Jesse Cobra" wrote: > Atheros based dongles have always worked for me. Using one right now for a > demo... > > Realtek based dongles, I have spent way too much time/days

Re: [beagleboard] Re: Banging my head against WiFi

2014-07-08 Thread Jesse Cobra
Atheros based dongles have always worked for me. Using one right now for a demo... Realtek based dongles, I have spent way too much time/days frustrated over these... The tp link and netgear atheros dongles work great! Put the RTL in the trash! On Jul 8, 2014 8:13 AM, "Robert Nelson" wrote: > O

Re: [beagleboard] Re: Banging my head against WiFi

2014-07-08 Thread Robert Nelson
On Tue, Jul 8, 2014 at 9:37 AM, PaulM wrote: > I too am in the same situation. I have spent countless hours trying to > configure WiFi on, not one, but two BBB - a rev B and a rev C. I have also > tried 3 different Linux distros - Ubuntu, Angstrom, and Debian; 3 different > WiFi adapters (same c

[beagleboard] Re: Banging my head against WiFi

2014-07-08 Thread PaulM
I too am in the same situation. I have spent countless hours trying to configure WiFi on, not one, but two BBB - a rev B and a rev C. I have also tried 3 different Linux distros - Ubuntu, Angstrom, and Debian; 3 different WiFi adapters (same chipset, but different manufactureres - all to no av

Re: [beagleboard] Re: Banging my head against WiFi

2014-07-06 Thread Robert Nelson
On Sun, Jul 6, 2014 at 7:23 PM, Justin Bishop wrote: > Sorry, but I'm trying to make a handheld device so the miniaturization > factor is important. A dangling dongle would ruin its usefulness. Some of these small devices also work better with pm disabled: auto wlan0 iface wlan0 inet dhcp wirel

Re: [beagleboard] Re: Banging my head against WiFi

2014-07-06 Thread William Hermans
So use duct tape and tape it to the side of the case ? Yeah,I am not being serious. >From memory the ones mentioned by Robert many moons *AGO*( heh ) were a bit longer than those tiny ones you've been playing with, But if you get that one working then this conversation is probably moot. On Sun,

Re: [beagleboard] Re: Banging my head against WiFi

2014-07-06 Thread Justin Bishop
Sorry, but I'm trying to make a handheld device so the miniaturization factor is important. A dangling dongle would ruin its usefulness. Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 6, 2014, at 5:16 PM, William Hermans wrote: > > Also . . . > >> For a "mere" 2-3 more $'s you can get a WiFi dongle that'll wo

Re: [beagleboard] Re: Banging my head against WiFi

2014-07-06 Thread William Hermans
Also . . . *For a "mere" 2-3 more $'s you can get a WiFi dongle that'll work out* > *of the box without custom non-mainline drivers that do not always* > *work.* > > *Atheros (atk9) based modules on amazon...* > *tl-wn721n* > *tl-wn722n* > > *Just search "wifi" in this group, for all the problems

Re: [beagleboard] Re: Banging my head against WiFi

2014-07-06 Thread Robert Nelson
On Sun, Jul 6, 2014 at 7:13 PM, jubishop wrote: > thanks Robert, > > the auto line is actually also there on my post, right above the > allow-hotplug. i thought maybe they didn't play well together so i've also > tried just one and just the other. > > it's currently working again but i'm not sure

Re: [beagleboard] Re: Banging my head against WiFi

2014-07-06 Thread jubishop
thanks Robert, the auto line is actually also there on my post, right above the allow-hotplug. i thought maybe they didn't play well together so i've also tried just one and just the other. it's currently working again but i'm not sure why this time it started up and for now i think i'll just

Re: [beagleboard] Re: Banging my head against WiFi

2014-07-06 Thread Robert Nelson
On Sun, Jul 6, 2014 at 6:00 PM, jubishop wrote: > welp i take it back. that worked until i restarted, now it doesn't > recognize it at all anymore. funny. linux may be free. but if i value my > time at all, it's cost me so much more than windows or mac ever will, heh. Well, replace "allow-hot

[beagleboard] Re: Banging my head against WiFi

2014-07-06 Thread jubishop
that's a pretty shitty response, but it's par for the course in the linux community i suppose. while i haven't used linux on my own machine in over a decade i've worked on it extensively in my jobs as a software engineer, most recently at Facebook. i don't think, reasonably speaking, the probl

Re: [beagleboard] Re: Banging my head against WiFi

2014-07-06 Thread jubishop
yep linux people have been telling me it's been PEBKAC since i first installed it in 1997. finally abandoned it when osx came out. only came back because i want to use these tiny boards but now i recall why i hated it in the first place. On Sunday, July 6, 2014 4:02:49 PM UTC-7, don wrote: >

Re: [beagleboard] Re: Banging my head against WiFi

2014-07-06 Thread Don deJuan
On 07/06/2014 04:00 PM, jubishop wrote: > welp i take it back. that worked until i restarted, now it doesn't > recognize it at all anymore. funny. linux may be free. but if i > value my time at all, it's cost me so much more than windows or mac > ever will, heh. > -- > For more options, visit

[beagleboard] Re: Banging my head against WiFi

2014-07-06 Thread jubishop
welp i take it back. that worked until i restarted, now it doesn't recognize it at all anymore. funny. linux may be free. but if i value my time at all, it's cost me so much more than windows or mac ever will, heh. -- For more options, visit http://beagleboard.org/discuss --- You received

[beagleboard] Re: Banging my head against WiFi

2014-07-06 Thread jubishop
Just want to thank everyone here for their help, and offer a followup with my discovered solution in case anybody else will find it useful. I tried 4 different wifi adapters, including Edimax, the one from Adafruit, and D-Link Wireless N150. The Edimax and Adafruit ones were identified by the

Re: [beagleboard] Re: Banging my head against WiFi

2014-07-04 Thread William Hermans
Justine, well it is a known issue discussed a few times on these forums. If you search these group thoroughly, you'll find Robert Nelson talking about which devices work the best on Linux, and I do believe he even mentions some that do not require dongles. This is why I have a problem with adafrui

Re: [beagleboard] Re: Banging my head against WiFi

2014-07-04 Thread Robert Nelson
On Fri, Jul 4, 2014 at 10:24 AM, Justin Bishop wrote: > I'll try a dongle but that is a real problem for me because I'm trying to > make a portable controller with the battery cape so the wifi dongle needs to > be minimum. Are there any usb miniature connectors known to work without a > dongle?

Re: [beagleboard] Re: Banging my head against WiFi

2014-07-04 Thread Justin Bishop
I'll try a dongle but that is a real problem for me because I'm trying to make a portable controller with the battery cape so the wifi dongle needs to be minimum. Are there any usb miniature connectors known to work without a dongle? I'd be happy to buy and try another... Again thanks for all

Re: [beagleboard] Re: Banging my head against WiFi

2014-07-04 Thread Justin Bishop
I'm using the recommended power cable from adafruit that supplies a consistent 2amps at 5v.. Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 3, 2014, at 10:26 PM, Don deJuan wrote: > >> On 07/03/2014 10:16 PM, William Hermans wrote: >> It could possibly be power related but I do not think so. What John said is

Re: [beagleboard] Re: Banging my head against WiFi

2014-07-03 Thread Don deJuan
On 07/03/2014 10:16 PM, William Hermans wrote: > It could possibly be power related but I do not think so. What John > said is a known issue, and makes sense in the context of 73% packet loss. > > > On Thu, Jul 3, 2014 at 9:43 PM, Don deJuan > wrote: > > On 07/03/

Re: [beagleboard] Re: Banging my head against WiFi

2014-07-03 Thread Don deJuan
On 07/03/2014 10:16 PM, William Hermans wrote: > It could possibly be power related but I do not think so. What John > said is a known issue, and makes sense in the context of 73% packet loss. > > > On Thu, Jul 3, 2014 at 9:43 PM, Don deJuan > wrote: > > On 07/03/

Re: [beagleboard] Re: Banging my head against WiFi

2014-07-03 Thread William Hermans
It could possibly be power related but I do not think so. What John said is a known issue, and makes sense in the context of 73% packet loss. On Thu, Jul 3, 2014 at 9:43 PM, Don deJuan wrote: > On 07/03/2014 05:42 PM, jubishop wrote: > > if i ping Facebook.com for a long time, here's my ridicu

Re: [beagleboard] Re: Banging my head against WiFi

2014-07-03 Thread Don deJuan
On 07/03/2014 05:42 PM, jubishop wrote: > if i ping Facebook.com for a long time, here's my ridiculously sad stats: > > *214 packets transmitted, 44 received, +12 errors, 79% packet loss, > time 1055425ms* > > *rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 52.923/11248.510/25100.876/6695.707 ms, pipe 19* > > * > * > > *

Re: [beagleboard] Re: Banging my head against WiFi

2014-07-03 Thread William Hermans
Just a thought, but changing the foreground and background colors the way you're doing is terribly distracting. As it is I can not even read the text as it screws with my eyes. On Thu, Jul 3, 2014 at 5:42 PM, jubishop wrote: > if i ping Facebook.com for a long time, here's my ridiculously sad s

[beagleboard] Re: Banging my head against WiFi

2014-07-03 Thread jubishop
if i ping Facebook.com for a long time, here's my ridiculously sad stats: *214 packets transmitted, 44 received, +12 errors, 79% packet loss, time 1055425ms* *rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 52.923/11248.510/25100.876/6695.707 ms, pipe 19* hopefully this goes without saying, but normally on my own mac

[beagleboard] Re: Banging my head against WiFi

2014-07-03 Thread jubishop
here's the alternative wpa_supplicant.conf setup i've also tried, but works no better. allow-hotplug ra0 iface ra0 inet manual wpa-roam /etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf iface default inet dhcp then in /etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf : ctrl_interface=DIR=/var/run/wpa_supplican

[beagleboard] Re: Banging my head against WiFi

2014-07-03 Thread jubishop
here's the info on one of my routers from iwlist wlan scan: * Cell 02 - Address: 80:EA:96:EE:C9:F0* *Channel:11* *Frequency:2.462 GHz (Channel 11)* *Quality=51/70 Signal level=-59 dBm * *Encryption key:o