Re: Where's the beef? (Was: Re: [Newbies] [semi-OT] (fwd) Re: What Killed Smalltalk?)

2009-12-22 Thread Tim Rowe
2009/12/12 Lawson English lengli...@cox.net: To continue and extend my rant in response to this thread, here are examples of Books I'd Like to See for Squeak/Pharo: [examples snipped] Without these kinds of materials available specifically oriented towards squeak/pharo use, your average

Where's the beef? (Was: Re: [Newbies] [semi-OT] (fwd) Re: What Killed Smalltalk?)

2009-12-12 Thread Lawson English
To continue and extend my rant in response to this thread, here are examples of Books I'd Like to See for Squeak/Pharo: Books like these: http://www.greenteapress.com/semaphores/downey05semaphores.pdf http://www.greenteapress.com/compmod/ http://beej.us/guide/bgnet/ Articles like these:

Re: [Newbies] [semi-OT] (fwd) Re: What Killed Smalltalk?

2009-11-23 Thread Lawson English
Conrad Taylor wrote: On Sun, Nov 22, 2009 at 5:19 PM, Lawson English lengli...@cox.net mailto:lengli...@cox.net wrote: Steve Wessels wrote: That's right. Smalltalk hasn't died. I am fortunate enough to be part of a team developing financial software for many

Re: [Newbies] [semi-OT] (fwd) Re: What Killed Smalltalk?

2009-11-22 Thread Lawson English
Steve Wessels wrote: That's right. Smalltalk hasn't died. I am fortunate enough to be part of a team developing financial software for many years using Smalltalk. People have predicted Smalltalk's death about as often as Apple's death. I think comparisons between Smalltalk and Java have to

RE: [Newbies] [semi-OT] (fwd) Re: What Killed Smalltalk?

2009-11-22 Thread Christine Wolfe
] On Behalf Of Lawson English Sent: Sunday, November 22, 2009 8:20 PM To: A friendly place to get answers to even the most basic questions about Squeak. Subject: Re: [Newbies] [semi-OT] (fwd) Re: What Killed Smalltalk? Steve Wessels wrote: That's right. Smalltalk hasn't died. I am fortunate enough

RE: [Newbies] [semi-OT] (fwd) Re: What Killed Smalltalk?

2009-11-22 Thread Tim Johnson
Practice Patterns. cheers, tim -original message- Subject: RE: [Newbies] [semi-OT] (fwd) Re: What Killed Smalltalk? From: Christine Wolfe cwd...@earthlink.net Date: 11/22/2009 9:31 PM I agree 100% It seems like most of the documentation is a tutorial or example but not a straight forward

Re: [Newbies] [semi-OT] (fwd) Re: What Killed Smalltalk?

2009-11-22 Thread Lawson English
puts now-commonplace concepts into context. Chamond Liu's book is also very good. Then for some polish, check Kent Beck's Smalltalk Best Practice Patterns. cheers, tim -original message- Subject: RE: [Newbies] [semi-OT] (fwd) Re: What Killed Smalltalk? From: Christine Wolfe cwd...@earthlink.net

Re: [Newbies] [semi-OT] (fwd) Re: What Killed Smalltalk?

2009-11-22 Thread Conrad Taylor
On Sun, Nov 22, 2009 at 5:19 PM, Lawson English lengli...@cox.net wrote: Steve Wessels wrote: That's right. Smalltalk hasn't died. I am fortunate enough to be part of a team developing financial software for many years using Smalltalk. People have predicted Smalltalk's death about as

Re: [Newbies] [semi-OT] (fwd) Re: What Killed Smalltalk?

2009-11-18 Thread Steve Wessels
That's right. Smalltalk hasn't died. I am fortunate enough to be part of a team developing financial software for many years using Smalltalk. People have predicted Smalltalk's death about as often as Apple's death. I think comparisons between Smalltalk and Java have to take marketing into

Re: [Newbies] [semi-OT] (fwd) Re: What Killed Smalltalk?

2009-11-18 Thread Bert Freudenberg
On 18.11.2009, at 13:41, Steve Wessels wrote: That's right. Smalltalk hasn't died. I am fortunate enough to be part of a team developing financial software for many years using Smalltalk. People have predicted Smalltalk's death about as often as Apple's death. I think comparisons

Re: [Newbies] [semi-OT] (fwd) Re: What Killed Smalltalk?

2009-11-17 Thread Ralph Johnson
Smalltalk didn't die. It's growth was killed. The dream of taking over the world was killed. But there are still people making their living with Smalltalk. It is hard to find good Smalltalk jobs, but they exist. I've always thought the main problem with Smalltalk was lack of marketing, in the

Re: [Newbies] [semi-OT] (fwd) Re: What Killed Smalltalk?

2009-11-17 Thread Michael van der Gulik
On Wed, Nov 18, 2009 at 3:18 AM, Ralph Johnson john...@cs.uiuc.edu wrote: Smalltalk didn't die. It's growth was killed. The dream of taking over the world was killed. +1. I use Smalltalk willingly, therefore it is not dead. It will only be dead when the last contributer stops enjoying it.