Re: The True Path to Learning Perl Re: [OT] Education Level

On Dec 9, 2003, at 9:08 PM, R. Joseph Newton wrote: UML? Isn't that the stuff the once-long-ago-knew-how-to-code professional sycophants use to make pretty pictures for execs, so that the execs can go to bed in the warm contented illusion that they actually understand something about the system

Re: The True Path to Learning Perl Re: [OT] Education Level

Wiggins d Anconia wrote: > > please let's do a split(/\s/, "Perl Programmer"). > > > > this return one array with two scalar: > > Perl > > Programmer > > > > that's why > > > > Back to semantics, define "Programmer". Your definition of programmer, > if it requires any knowledge of UML, is so stri

Re: The True Path to Learning Perl Re: [OT] Education Level

Tassilo von Parseval wrote: > The credo of your original message was rather flat and shallow: Avoid > university at all costs because it can't teach you anything worthwhile. > This is an immature statement which I addressed. > > Tassilo Actually, the first message I saw from drieux on this threa

[ADMIN] Re: The True Path to Learning Perl Re: [OT] Education Level

It was Tuesday, December 09, 2003 when david took the soap box, saying: : Drieux wrote: : : > In PART because with things like the Internet, IF : > one wants to learn, one can and at far cheaper rates. : : if this is a joke, it's laughable. if it's not a joke, you are laughable. Picking a random

Re: The True Path to Learning Perl Re: [OT] Education Level

Hi Everyone, I would like to suggest that we drop the thread or bring it to focus on something less invidious than students vs. townies. I think it goes without saying that academia has many faults - but the autodidact is often a victim of his own whims and idiosyncracies. If this thread is t

Re: The True Path to Learning Perl Re: [OT] Education Level

Drieux wrote: > In PART because with things like the Internet, IF > one wants to learn, one can and at far cheaper rates. if this is a joke, it's laughable. if it's not a joke, you are laughable. david -- s,.*,<<,e,y,\n,,d,y,.s,10,,s .ss.s.s...s.sss.s.ss s.s.s...s...s..s ...

RE: The True Path to Learning Perl Re: [OT] Education Level

Wiggins d Anconia writes: > > > > please let's do a split(/\s/, "Perl Programmer"). > > > > this return one array with two scalar: > > Perl > > Programmer > > > > that's why > > > > Back to semantics, define "Programmer". Your definition of programmer, > if it requires any knowl

Re: The True Path to Learning Perl Re: [OT] Education Level

Drieux wrote: > [snip OP] > > first off you really SHOULD NOT scare people > with phrases like " write microcode for " and > then refer to a four digit chipset. WAY BAD FORM. > { and yes, doing the Motorola side of the assembler > on a RISC was much easier, none of that reverse > polish notation sm

RE: The True Path to Learning Perl Re: [OT] Education Level

> please let's do a split(/\s/, "Perl Programmer"). > > this return one array with two scalar: > Perl > Programmer > > that's why > Back to semantics, define "Programmer". Your definition of programmer, if it requires any knowledge of UML, is so strict that it will not work in 99% of circles

Re: The True Path to Learning Perl Re: [OT] Education Level

On Tue, Dec 09, 2003 at 01:43:06AM -0800 drieux wrote: > On Dec 9, 2003, at 1:24 AM, Tassilo von Parseval wrote: > [..] > >>hypothetical question, > >> > >>would one need to be a perl-porter > >>to write good perl? > [..] > > let us get simple. > > how about answering the simple question. > > i

RE: The True Path to Learning Perl Re: [OT] Education Level

please let's do a split(/\s/, "Perl Programmer"). this return one array with two scalar: Perl Programmer that's why -Original Message- From: drieux [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2003 11:01 AM To: Perl Perl Subject: Re: The True Path to L

Re: The True Path to Learning Perl Re: [OT] Education Level

On Dec 9, 2003, at 1:57 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Before I can say that I'm a Perl Programmer, I have to say that I'm a Programmer. why? ciao drieux --- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: The True Path to Learning Perl Re: [OT] Education Level

On Dec 9, 2003, at 1:24 AM, Tassilo von Parseval wrote: [..] hypothetical question, would one need to be a perl-porter to write good perl? [..] let us get simple. how about answering the simple question. it was the core of your alleged argument. IF you can make it fly, great. Otherwise, feel fr

Re: The True Path to Learning Perl Re: [OT] Education Level

On Mon, Dec 08, 2003 at 11:33:08PM -0800 drieux wrote: > On Dec 8, 2003, at 2:50 PM, Tassilo von Parseval wrote: > [..] > >The current set of perl-porters that are able and willing > >to work on the core are with > >not many exceptions people with academic degrees. > [..] > > hypothetical questio

Re: The True Path to Learning Perl Re: [OT] Education Level

On Dec 8, 2003, at 10:31 PM, Tim Johnson wrote: [..] I will admit that the level of dedication and self-sacrifice required is exceedingly rare, and I'm stretching the analogy pretty thin anyway, so I'll leave it there. [..] Since I have stirred up some apparent confusion here, let me try to be cle

Re: The True Path to Learning Perl Re: [OT] Education Level

On Dec 8, 2003, at 2:50 PM, Tassilo von Parseval wrote: [..] The current set of perl-porters that are able and willing to work on the core are with not many exceptions people with academic degrees. [..] hypothetical question, would one need to be a perl-porter to write good perl? { would it be im

RE: The True Path to Learning Perl Re: [OT] Education Level

PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tassilo von Parseval >Sent: Monday, December 08, 2003 2:51 PM >To: drieux >Cc: Perl Perl >Subject: Re: The True Path to Learning Perl Re: [OT] Education Level The current set of perl-porters that are able and willing to work on the core are with not many exceptions pe

Re: The True Path to Learning Perl Re: [OT] Education Level

On Mon, Dec 08, 2003 at 12:43:37PM -0800 drieux wrote: > Learn to be nice to undergrads and grad students. > Think about the unpleasant lack of experience that > they have in a wide range of issues. Most of them > grew up in normal homes with median types of families. > ALL they have to 'validate

Re: The True Path to Learning Perl Re: [OT] Education Level

On Dec 8, 2003, at 11:18 AM, Jason Dusek wrote: [..] I think drieux has raised a good point in taking a shot at the 'learning how to think' snobbery too common among college graduates. [..] It is not so much a shot at 'snobbery' as it is at the lack of 'intellectual rigor' that the phrase bleats l

The True Path to Learning Perl Re: [OT] Education Level

On Dec 8, 2003, at 7:19 AM, J Ingersoll wrote: [..] I'd like to know how many in the list - employed for their perl skills - learned perl on their own (practice, forums, books, et. al. ) and how many attended formal classes ...? [..] first off you really SHOULD NOT scare people with phrases like