Re: [Bf-committers] extension clause

2010-11-22 Thread Knapp
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Re: [Bf-committers] extension clause

2010-11-22 Thread David Jeske
On Mon, Nov 22, 2010 at 4:05 PM, Dan Eicher wrote: > On Mon, Nov 22, 2010 at 12:51 PM, David Jeske wrote: > > Although the BSD above is confusing the example, I agree that by my read > of > > the GPL, an open-source GPL blender extension can load/call to a > third-party > > closed-source binary

Re: [Bf-committers] extension clause

2010-11-22 Thread Dan Eicher
On Mon, Nov 22, 2010 at 12:51 PM, David Jeske wrote: > Although the BSD above is confusing the example, I agree that by my read of > the GPL, an open-source GPL blender extension can load/call to a third-party > closed-source binary code library under the GPL's "library exception". *Users* are th

Re: [Bf-committers] extension clause

2010-11-22 Thread Doug Ollivier
> That is actually against the terms of the GPL. They cannot restrict usage > like this. > > If that is what they want to do with their license, it is not GPL compatible > and the FSF should send them a strongly worded leter. > > Martin > Well they aren't actually limiting the GPL version to No

Re: [Bf-committers] extension clause

2010-11-22 Thread Martin Poirier
--- On Mon, 11/22/10, Dahlia Trimble wrote: > The GPL is not an exclusive license. > Developers are free to publish their > works under multiple licenses if they own the copyright > outright. Of course, that's nowhere near what I said. When they say that their GPL licensed version free is for

Re: [Bf-committers] extension clause

2010-11-22 Thread Dahlia Trimble
The GPL is not an exclusive license. Developers are free to publish their works under multiple licenses if they own the copyright outright. On Mon, Nov 22, 2010 at 1:47 PM, Martin Poirier wrote: > > > --- On Mon, 11/22/10, Doug Ollivier wrote: > > > A reply to the list in general, > > People ha

Re: [Bf-committers] extension clause

2010-11-22 Thread Martin Poirier
--- On Mon, 11/22/10, Doug Ollivier wrote: > A reply to the list in general, > People have wanted real world cases: > > The following is an example of where the GPL is being used > to actively > limit commercial use of a PHP add-on class. > > http://www.interpid.eu/component/content/article/

Re: [Bf-committers] extension clause

2010-11-22 Thread Michael Williamson
On 22/11/10 21:21, Michael Williamson wrote: > . > > It's fine in teh above cases to distribute the code without "Infecting" > either Apples code or Steinbergs... i meant the linking code! ___ Bf-committers mailing list Bf-committers@blender.org http://

Re: [Bf-committers] extension clause

2010-11-22 Thread Michael Williamson
What happens when a third party writes a script that links to an external library? an example in the current code would be the quicktime libs THE USER has to sign up for the licence agreement of the quicktime sdk, obtain the source and then compile their own blender... This is common in mus

Re: [Bf-committers] extension clause

2010-11-22 Thread Doug Ollivier
A reply to the list in general, People have wanted real world cases: The following is an example of where the GPL is being used to actively limit commercial use of a PHP add-on class. http://www.interpid.eu/component/content/article/47 Note that the GPL version is available to the general publi

Re: [Bf-committers] New procedural texture: Planet

2010-11-22 Thread Daniel Salazar - 3Developer.com
Here are the pictures from Raul, pretty cool! http://www.pasteall.org/pic/show.php?id=7077 http://www.pasteall.org/pic/show.php?id=7078 http://www.pasteall.org/pic/show.php?id=7079 http://www.pasteall.org/pic/show.php?id=7080 http://www.pasteall.org/pic/show.php?id=7081 http://www.pasteall.org/pic

Re: [Bf-committers] extension clause

2010-11-22 Thread Alex Combas
On Mon, Nov 22, 2010 at 6:58 AM, Ton Roosendaal wrote: > Hi all, > > Phew, mind boggling discussions here. I know GNU GPL isn't easy to > understand, but it would improve readability of the traffic on this > list if we can stop with interpretations of the GNU GPL now. :) > > However, taking a posi

Re: [Bf-committers] extension clause

2010-11-22 Thread raulf
Whatever licence that will not restrict Blender in the present and the future from being used in any enviroment, open or close, is ok to me :) Cheers Raul > Hi David, > > Sorry, my mistake :) LGPL covers both cases I sketched. > > For now I'd like t

Re: [Bf-committers] extension clause

2010-11-22 Thread David Jeske
On Mon, Nov 22, 2010 at 10:40 AM, Dan Eicher wrote: > > How is legally viable to make a capable BSD licensed API with the code > under > > the GPL? The shim would be dependent on material details of the Blender > > design and internals. It would probably expose many of those details > (such > > a

Re: [Bf-committers] FFMPEG properties from Blender presets overridden by defaults?

2010-11-22 Thread Troy Sobotka
Don't forget that all of your work will be color clamped / matrixed if you encode directly using ffmpeg. Such is the nature of RGB to YCbCr / YUV transforms via ffmpeg's swscale. If you seek quality, your only recourse is to oversee the transforms from RGB to YUV or YCbCr yourself. Sincerely, TJ

Re: [Bf-committers] extension clause

2010-11-22 Thread Dan Eicher
On Mon, Nov 22, 2010 at 9:02 AM, David Jeske wrote: > On Sun, Nov 21, 2010 at 3:30 PM, Dan Eicher wrote: > >> > >> > I believe it's important to many users (especially, but not limited to >> > corporate users) to have a secondary 'proprietary plugin market', >> > > >> > That option has been discu

Re: [Bf-committers] New procedural texture: Planet

2010-11-22 Thread raulf
Thanks Tomas :) Yes, indeed will be very helpfull for your sci-fi project, as soon as Lapinou upload it check my site http://farsthary.wordpress.com , I made there a comparison with current textures to see their limitations. I will polish today the patch and will release it by tomorrow, hop

Re: [Bf-committers] New procedural texture: Planet

2010-11-22 Thread Thomas Dinges
Hey Raul, this feature sounds just awesome! You have my full support on it! Something I wanted for 3 years... Can't wait to see images. cheers, Thomas Am 22.11.2010 16:33, schrieb ra...@info.upr.edu.cu: > Hi all :) > > This weekend I need to create a procedural planet for a local work, so I > w

Re: [Bf-committers] extension clause

2010-11-22 Thread Ton Roosendaal
Hi David, Sorry, my mistake :) LGPL covers both cases I sketched. For now I'd like to hear first from our key contributors how they feel about the general idea. There's no reason to hurry with this, I'll try to settle it with final proposal before we move to a final stable 2.6. -Ton- --

Re: [Bf-committers] extension clause

2010-11-22 Thread David Jeske
On Sun, Nov 21, 2010 at 3:30 PM, Dan Eicher wrote: > > > > I believe it's important to many users (especially, but not limited to > > corporate users) to have a secondary 'proprietary plugin market', > > > That option has been discussed and all but approved, the only hitch is > the > plugin wri

Re: [Bf-committers] New procedural texture: Planet

2010-11-22 Thread Daniel Salazar - 3Developer.com
and no picture is worth exactly how many words? :) Daniel Salazar www.3developer.com On Mon, Nov 22, 2010 at 9:33 AM, wrote: > Hi all :) > > This weekend I need to create a procedural planet for a local work, so I > went straigth to tinkering with built in procedural textures, sadly there > w

[Bf-committers] New procedural texture: Planet

2010-11-22 Thread raulf
Hi all :) This weekend I need to create a procedural planet for a local work, so I went straigth to tinkering with built in procedural textures, sadly there where no simple combination of procedurals that provide me satellite like view of planet surfaces, in order to achieve that a procedural sho

Re: [Bf-committers] extension clause

2010-11-22 Thread Ton Roosendaal
Hi all, Phew, mind boggling discussions here. I know GNU GPL isn't easy to understand, but it would improve readability of the traffic on this list if we can stop with interpretations of the GNU GPL now. :) However, taking a position on what we want for the future in general is still releva

Re: [Bf-committers] [Bf-blender-cvs] SVN commit: /data/svn/bf-blender [33216] trunk/blender/source/blender/ editors/interface/interface.c: Bugfix #24825

2010-11-22 Thread Ton Roosendaal
Hi, Good find, will fix too! :) -Ton- Ton Roosendaal Blender Foundation t...@blender.orgwww.blender.org Blender Institute Entrepotdok 57A 1018AD Amsterdam The Netherlands On 22 Nov, 2010, at 6:37, Matt Ebb wrot

Re: [Bf-committers] extension clause

2010-11-22 Thread Benjamin Tolputt
On 22/11/2010 8:06 PM, Dan Eicher wrote: > So, yeah, according to the FSF a stolen version is ok to distribute... > not that I agree with their reasoning on this though. This is also the conclusion of the legal representation I've been able to talk to about it (in regards to licensing software whi

Re: [Bf-committers] extension clause

2010-11-22 Thread Dan Eicher
On Sun, Nov 21, 2010 at 6:31 PM, Benjamin Tolputt wrote: > > On 22/11/2010 10:46 AM, Dan Eicher wrote: > > More likely your crime would preclude you from being protected under > > thelicensing terms since you were never the legal recipient of said > > software. Just because something is under the

Re: [Bf-committers] extension clause

2010-11-22 Thread Campbell Barton
On Mon, Nov 22, 2010 at 7:20 AM, Alex Combas wrote: > On Sun, Nov 21, 2010 at 9:05 PM, Campbell Barton wrote: >> >> >> While this is what blenders GPL exception states it does seem quite >> fuzzy as to what it does/doesn't apply to. >> - python its self has many compiled extensions, ok so it >> c