Re: [bitcoin-dev] [Opt-in full-RBF] Zero-conf apps in immediate danger (angus)

2022-12-13 Thread Anthony Towns via bitcoin-dev
On Fri, Dec 09, 2022 at 03:58:37PM +, angus via bitcoin-dev wrote: > Those in favour of Full RBF see trusting and relying on predictable > mempool policy as a fundamentally flawed bad idea. I don't believe that claim is true, at least in general: the motivation for the -mempoolfullrbf PR was t

Re: [bitcoin-dev] [Opt-in full-RBF] Zero-conf apps in immediate danger (angus)

2022-12-12 Thread John Carvalho via bitcoin-dev
Zman, Price Theory simply explains the relationship between supply & demand. Your post makes some logical leaps in that you are implying that demand follows supply, which of course is not true, nor is that a claim of Price Theory. If Bitcoin has less utility, it will have less demand, regardless o

Re: [bitcoin-dev] [Opt-in full-RBF] Zero-conf apps in immediate danger (angus)

2022-12-11 Thread ZmnSCPxj via bitcoin-dev
Good morning John, et al, > > As has been pointed out by may others before, full RBF is aligned with > > miner (and user) economic incentives > > > This is a theory, not a fact. I can refute this theory by pointing out > several aspects: > 1. RBF is actually a fee-minimization feature that al

[bitcoin-dev] [Opt-in full-RBF] Zero-conf apps in immediate danger (angus)

2022-12-09 Thread angus via bitcoin-dev
I think the fundamental disagreement here that's causing the controversy and impasse is this: Those in favour of Full RBF see trusting and relying on predictable mempool policy as a fundamentally flawed bad idea. Node policy is not a consensus rule - a miner has always been allowed to produce

Re: [bitcoin-dev] [Opt-in full-RBF] Zero-conf apps in immediate danger (angus)

2022-12-06 Thread Erik Aronesty via bitcoin-dev
> > > > Many zero-conf proponents work on the bleeding edge of supporting > Lightning, including myself. Lightning is not risk-free and the base layer > should not be assuming it as a primary dependency for commercial payments. > for low-value payments, lightning is the only workable version becau

Re: [bitcoin-dev] [Opt-in full-RBF] Zero-conf apps in immediate danger (angus)

2022-12-05 Thread John Carvalho via bitcoin-dev
> > The perception seems to be that Core adding the full RBF option is > increasing the risk to zero-conf users, but I'm not convinced that that is > the case. If this "perception" were not true, RBF & full-RBF would not be necessary at all. Think about it. It's always been the risk of getting d