Re: [bitcoin-dev] What to do when contentious soft fork activations are attempted

2022-05-07 Thread Jorge Timón via bitcoin-dev
It is quite ironic that yeah, it is quite ironic that the people who are constantly basing their arguments on personal attack are also the ones who complain the most about personal attacks. That's exactly the irony I was trying to convey. Just like some people claim that the only people against

Re: [bitcoin-dev] What to do when contentious soft fork activations are attempted

2022-05-06 Thread Jorge Timón via bitcoin-dev
So, to be clear, you didn't design speedy trial "to make everyone unhappy" as Ryan claims, no? That's a really strange claim on his part. When the grace period for slower activation after lock in was added, I don't think it was added to make me or people like me who dislike that proposal unhappy.

Re: [bitcoin-dev] What to do when contentious soft fork activations are attempted

2022-05-06 Thread John Tromp via bitcoin-dev
On Fri, 6 May 2022 7:17PM Jorge Tim?n wrote > But let's not personally attack andreas for his opinions. > The only reason you don't like bip8 is because you're ignorant about it and > you haven't reviewed it enough. Can you see the irony in equating "clueless about BIP119" with a personal attack

Re: [bitcoin-dev] What to do when contentious soft fork activations are attempted

2022-05-06 Thread Russell O'Connor via bitcoin-dev
On Fri, May 6, 2022 at 2:01 PM Jorge Timón via bitcoin-dev < bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org> wrote: > > Russell O'Connor wrote the definitive explanation for how ST arose in >> the consensus process and how it was designed to make everyone >> unhappy. It's a great explanation of what we

Re: [bitcoin-dev] What to do when contentious soft fork activations are attempted

2022-05-06 Thread Jorge Timón via bitcoin-dev
On Tue, May 3, 2022 at 4:36 PM Ryan Grant wrote: > On Sun, May 1, 2022 at 8:49 PM Jorge Timón via bitcoin-dev > wrote: > > On Sun, May 1, 2022, 09:22 alicexbt via bitcoin-dev < > bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org> wrote: > > >> [...] Andreas is clueless about BIP 119 and other covenant > >>

Re: [bitcoin-dev] What to do when contentious soft fork activations are attempted

2022-05-03 Thread Ryan Grant via bitcoin-dev
On Sun, May 1, 2022 at 8:49 PM Jorge Timón via bitcoin-dev wrote: > On Sun, May 1, 2022, 09:22 alicexbt via bitcoin-dev > wrote: >> [...] Andreas is clueless about BIP 119 and other covenant >> proposals. He is spreading misinformation and [...] > Clueless and spreading disinformation, you

Re: [bitcoin-dev] What to do when contentious soft fork activations are attempted

2022-05-01 Thread Billy Tetrud via bitcoin-dev
+1 alicexbt We of course want knowledgeable bitcoiners who aren't knowledgeable about a certain proposal to be skeptical. But what we don't want is for that natural skepticism-from-ignorance to be interpreted as opposition, or really a strong signal of any kind. Any thoughts from ignorance,

Re: [bitcoin-dev] What to do when contentious soft fork activations are attempted

2022-05-01 Thread Jorge Timón via bitcoin-dev
On Sun, May 1, 2022, 09:22 alicexbt via bitcoin-dev < bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org> wrote: > Hi Michael, > > Maybe the whole thing worked as designed. Some users identified what was > going on, well known Bitcoin educators such as Andreas Antonopoulos, Jimmy > Song etc brought additional

Re: [bitcoin-dev] What to do when contentious soft fork activations are attempted

2022-05-01 Thread alicexbt via bitcoin-dev
Hi Michael, > Maybe the whole thing worked as designed. Some users identified what was > going on, well known Bitcoin educators such as Andreas Antonopoulos, Jimmy > Song etc brought additional attention to the dangers, a URSF movement started > to gain momentum and those attempting a

[bitcoin-dev] What to do when contentious soft fork activations are attempted

2022-04-30 Thread Michael Folkson via bitcoin-dev
I’ve been in two minds on whether to completely move on to other topics or to formulate some thoughts on the recent attempt to activate a contentious soft fork. In the interests of those of us who have wasted days/weeks/months of our time on this (with no personal upside) and who don’t want to