Re: [Bitcoin-development] Proposal: MultiBit as default desktop client on bitcoin.org

2013-07-09 Thread Andreas Petersson
It particulary worries me that a lot of sites hand over their SSL private keys to Cloudflare, and they are located in prism land. > Cloudflare is rapidly becoming a bitcoin community SPOF. -- See everything from the brow

Re: [Bitcoin-development] Proposal: MultiBit as default desktop client on bitcoin.org

2013-07-09 Thread Mike Hearn
That's good to know. Still, at the moment we'd need to dramatically increase the download size and increase Bitcoin usage by 10x to hit our limits. It'd be a good problem to have. On Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at 5:51 PM, Johnathan Corgan wrote: > On 07/09/2013 08:32 AM, Nick Simpson wrote: > > > What abo

Re: [Bitcoin-development] Proposal: MultiBit as default desktop client on bitcoin.org

2013-07-09 Thread Johnathan Corgan
On 07/09/2013 08:32 AM, Nick Simpson wrote: > What about something like Cloudflare? Transparent to most and it'd help > with your bandwidth issues. By way of endorsement, at the GNU Radio Project we switched to CloudFlare's free service tier a few months ago. We host on AWS EC2 our own web serve

Re: [Bitcoin-development] Proposal: MultiBit as default desktop client on bitcoin.org

2013-07-09 Thread Nick Simpson
Not any more than sourceforge or github.. None of these solutions are replacements, but rather only supplements to self hosted files. Jeff Garzik wrote: >On Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at 11:32 AM, Nick Simpson >wrote: >> What about something like Cloudflare? Transparent to most and it'd >help with >> you

Re: [Bitcoin-development] Proposal: MultiBit as default desktop client on bitcoin.org

2013-07-09 Thread Jeff Garzik
On Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at 11:32 AM, Nick Simpson wrote: > What about something like Cloudflare? Transparent to most and it'd help with > your bandwidth issues. Cloudflare is rapidly becoming a bitcoin community SPOF. -- Jeff Garzik Senior Software Engineer and open source evangelist BitPay, Inc.

Re: [Bitcoin-development] Proposal: MultiBit as default desktop client on bitcoin.org

2013-07-09 Thread Nick Simpson
What about something like Cloudflare? Transparent to most and it'd help with your bandwidth issues. Mike Hearn wrote: >That's true - we could serve new users off our own servers and auto >updates >off SF.net mirrors, potentially. > > >On Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at 4:57 PM, Daniel F wrote: > >> on 07/

Re: [Bitcoin-development] Proposal: MultiBit as default desktop client on bitcoin.org

2013-07-09 Thread Mike Hearn
That's true - we could serve new users off our own servers and auto updates off SF.net mirrors, potentially. On Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at 4:57 PM, Daniel F wrote: > on 07/09/2013 10:28 AM Mike Hearn said the following: > > SourceForge has a horrible UI and blocks some countries. It also exposes > > u

Re: [Bitcoin-development] Proposal: MultiBit as default desktop client on bitcoin.org

2013-07-09 Thread Daniel F
on 07/09/2013 10:28 AM Mike Hearn said the following: > SourceForge has a horrible UI and blocks some countries. It also exposes > us to a large and potentially hackable mirror network. Whilst we're not > bandwidth constrained on our own servers, let's try and keep using them. the point was just t

Re: [Bitcoin-development] Proposal: MultiBit as default desktop client on bitcoin.org

2013-07-09 Thread Jim
For those interested in these things the multibit.org server is a dedicated server hosted by the German company http://www.server4you.net. It is physically located in the delightful city of Strasbourg, just on the French side of the French German border. On Tue, Jul 9, 2013, at 03:28 PM, Mike

Re: [Bitcoin-development] Proposal: MultiBit as default desktop client on bitcoin.org

2013-07-09 Thread Mike Hearn
SourceForge has a horrible UI and blocks some countries. It also exposes us to a large and potentially hackable mirror network. Whilst we're not bandwidth constrained on our own servers, let's try and keep using them. On Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at 4:06 PM, Jeff Garzik wrote: > On Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at 1

Re: [Bitcoin-development] Proposal: MultiBit as default desktop client on bitcoin.org

2013-07-09 Thread Jeff Garzik
On Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at 10:00 AM, Daniel F wrote: > on 07/09/2013 06:56 AM Jim said the following: >> + it will bump up the MultiBit download from about 11MB to 30-40MB >> (I think). This drops the maximum copies of MultiBit the multibit.org >> server can deliver per day from around 90,000 to 30,00

Re: [Bitcoin-development] Proposal: MultiBit as default desktop client on bitcoin.org

2013-07-09 Thread Daniel F
on 07/09/2013 06:56 AM Jim said the following: > + it will bump up the MultiBit download from about 11MB to 30-40MB > (I think). This drops the maximum copies of MultiBit the multibit.org > server can deliver per day from around 90,000 to 30,000ish. > The multibit.org server maxes out at 1 TB of

Re: [Bitcoin-development] Proposal: MultiBit as default desktop client on bitcoin.org

2013-07-09 Thread Will
Omaha - which is the automatic update framework that Google Chrome uses - is open sourced: https://code.google.com/p/omaha/ It might be a bit heavyweight for just one package though. Will On 9 July 2013 13:04, Mike Hearn wrote: > For the auto update, is there an existing auto update framework

Re: [Bitcoin-development] Proposal: MultiBit as default desktop client on bitcoin.org

2013-07-09 Thread Mike Hearn
By the way, the Java Web Start system has improved a lot in recent versions as well. I just tried running http://jfxtras.org/ and this was the experience: - It told me my Java was insecure and that I should download the latest version (hah). It had three buttons, one saying "Update", one say

Re: [Bitcoin-development] Proposal: MultiBit as default desktop client on bitcoin.org

2013-07-09 Thread Jim
Currently there are about 2,500 downloads a day for MultiBit. There are download stats here: https://multibit.org/awstats/awstats.pl?config=multibit.org With a mirror from Mike and perhaps another instance at multibit.org that would get us to 100K per day so probably nothing to worry about. I thi

Re: [Bitcoin-development] Proposal: MultiBit as default desktop client on bitcoin.org

2013-07-09 Thread Mike Hearn
How many downloads/day do we see currently? I think you said it's on the order of a few thousand, so nowhere near 30k I'd guess. Anyway I can mirror it if we need to. The JavaFX packager is supposed to delete parts of the JVM that aren't used. Is the 30-40mb figure based on using that tool or some

Re: [Bitcoin-development] Proposal: MultiBit as default desktop client on bitcoin.org

2013-07-09 Thread Jim
Yes I would like to bundle a JVM as it would simplify the user experience. There are a few downsides though: + all the build packaging will need redoing and retesting. + it will bump up the MultiBit download from about 11MB to 30-40MB (I think). This drops the maximum copies of MultiBit the multi

Re: [Bitcoin-development] Proposal: MultiBit as default desktop client on bitcoin.org

2013-07-09 Thread Mike Hearn
Modern Java versions let you bundle the app with a stripped down JVM. I don't know if Jim does that, but I think it's an obvious step towards making MultiBit friendlier and easier to use. BTW I believe most secure browsers (Chrome, Firefox) have banned the applet plugin or severely restrained it a