Re: [Bitcoin-development] A critique of bitcoin open source community

2013-10-21 Thread Jorge Timón
I think it's great to move BIPs to github. I also agree with the states -> directories mapping. Git manages moved files well. On 10/21/13, Jean-Paul Kogelman wrote: > > On 2013-10-21, at 2:44 AM, Arto Bendiken wrote: > >> >> Indeed. The BIP analogs that immediately come to mind would be the >>

Re: [Bitcoin-development] A critique of bitcoin open source community

2013-10-21 Thread Jean-Paul Kogelman
On 2013-10-21, at 2:44 AM, Arto Bendiken wrote: > > Indeed. The BIP analogs that immediately come to mind would be the > enhancement proposal processes for Python, XMPP, and BitTorrent: Bitcoin's BIP process is directly based off of Python's PEP process. Quote from BIP 1, History: This docu

Re: [Bitcoin-development] A critique of bitcoin open source community

2013-10-21 Thread Arto Bendiken
On Mon, Oct 21, 2013 at 11:36 AM, Melvin Carvalho wrote: > > I've followed quite a few FLOSS projects over the years. Overall, I've been > amazingly impressed with the BIP process (dont forget it's used in other > systems too -- python?). It seems an agile process, that strikes an great > balanc

Re: [Bitcoin-development] A critique of bitcoin open source community

2013-10-21 Thread Melvin Carvalho
On 21 October 2013 09:03, Martin Sustrik wrote: > On 21/10/13 08:52, Jean-Paul Kogelman wrote: > > How about putting them into sub directories that map onto the status of > the BIP? > > > > Reading BIP 1, that would make: > > > > Accepted > > Active > > Draft > > Deferred > > Final > > Rejected >

Re: [Bitcoin-development] A critique of bitcoin open source community

2013-10-21 Thread Martin Sustrik
On 21/10/13 09:07, Jean-Paul Kogelman wrote: > The list comes from BIP 1. Sorry, I haven't meant you personally. It was just a generic question about using existing process instead of inventing a new one on the go. >> Have it been considered to do this via IETF? The process there is hardened >>

Re: [Bitcoin-development] A critique of bitcoin open source community

2013-10-21 Thread Martin Sustrik
On 21/10/13 08:52, Jean-Paul Kogelman wrote: > How about putting them into sub directories that map onto the status of the > BIP? > > Reading BIP 1, that would make: > > Accepted > Active > Draft > Deferred > Final > Rejected > Replaced > Withdrawn Have it been considered to do this via IETF? The

Re: [Bitcoin-development] A critique of bitcoin open source community

2013-10-21 Thread Jean-Paul Kogelman
The list comes from BIP 1. On 2013-10-21, at 12:03 AM, Martin Sustrik wrote: > On 21/10/13 08:52, Jean-Paul Kogelman wrote: >> How about putting them into sub directories that map onto the status of the >> BIP? >> >> Reading BIP 1, that would make: >> >> Accepted >> Active >> Draft >> Deferre

Re: [Bitcoin-development] A critique of bitcoin open source community

2013-10-20 Thread Jean-Paul Kogelman
How about putting them into sub directories that map onto the status of the BIP? Reading BIP 1, that would make: Accepted Active Draft Deferred Final Rejected Replaced Withdrawn Would that place NODE_BLOOM and BIP 38 in Deferred? On 2013-10-20, at 11:43 PM, Peter Todd wrote: > On Sun, Oct

Re: [Bitcoin-development] A critique of bitcoin open source community

2013-10-20 Thread Peter Todd
On Sun, Oct 20, 2013 at 11:40:26PM -0700, Jean-Paul Kogelman wrote: > > I was wondering, would it be possible to create an area where proposals like > your NODE_BLOOM and BIP 38 could live? Sure, I think Jeff mentioned the idea of a specific drafts/ directory within the repository. (could also

Re: [Bitcoin-development] A critique of bitcoin open source community

2013-10-20 Thread Jean-Paul Kogelman
I was wondering, would it be possible to create an area where proposals like your NODE_BLOOM and BIP 38 could live? On 2013-10-20, at 11:25 PM, Peter Todd wrote: > On Sun, Oct 20, 2013 at 08:27:47PM -0400, Jeff Garzik wrote: >> On Sun, Oct 20, 2013 at 6:43 PM, Peter Todd wrote: >>> FWIW I th

Re: [Bitcoin-development] A critique of bitcoin open source community

2013-10-20 Thread Peter Todd
On Sun, Oct 20, 2013 at 08:27:47PM -0400, Jeff Garzik wrote: > On Sun, Oct 20, 2013 at 6:43 PM, Peter Todd wrote: > > FWIW I think that BIP's should have been done as a github repository, > > allowing for dealing with this stuff transparently as a pull-request. > > It'd also be useful to handle BI

Re: [Bitcoin-development] A critique of bitcoin open source community

2013-10-20 Thread Jeff Garzik
On Sun, Oct 20, 2013 at 6:43 PM, Peter Todd wrote: > FWIW I think that BIP's should have been done as a github repository, > allowing for dealing with this stuff transparently as a pull-request. > It'd also be useful to handle BIP's that way to make it easy to archive > them, update them, and keep

Re: [Bitcoin-development] A critique of bitcoin open source community

2013-10-20 Thread Peter Todd
On Sun, Oct 20, 2013 at 06:43:16PM -0400, Peter Todd wrote: > FWIW I think that BIP's should have been done as a github repository, > allowing for dealing with this stuff transparently as a pull-request. > It'd also be useful to handle BIP's that way to make it easy to archive > them, update them,

Re: [Bitcoin-development] A critique of bitcoin open source community

2013-10-20 Thread Peter Todd
On Sat, Oct 19, 2013 at 05:52:49PM -0700, Jean-Paul Kogelman wrote: > Interesting. The main reason I wrote my proposal was because the only > proposal that came close to covering the same area was BIP 39, which at that > time had 2 paragraphs of text (although admittedly did link to a text file

Re: [Bitcoin-development] A critique of bitcoin open source community

2013-10-20 Thread Wladimir
On Sun, Oct 20, 2013 at 1:20 AM, Gregory Maxwell wrote: > Since much discussion didn't materialize I went and gave it a > technical once over, posting to the forum. At least I now understand where he got the idea of bitcoin devs being a bunch of paranoid, anti-authoritarian nutjobs :-) I've bee

Re: [Bitcoin-development] A critique of bitcoin open source community

2013-10-19 Thread Jean-Paul Kogelman
>> Having it on the BIP page doesn't make it any more official, I agree, but it >> does increase its exposure and will hopefully spark some more discussion. > > Having it on the BIP page *does* make it more official, at least the way > we've been using the BIP page, which is to filter out the pr

Re: [Bitcoin-development] A critique of bitcoin open source community

2013-10-19 Thread Peter Todd
On Sat, Oct 19, 2013 at 04:35:13PM -0700, Jean-Paul Kogelman wrote: > > On Sat, Oct 19, 2013 at 3:29 PM, Luke-Jr wrote: > >> See BIP 1 for the process.. proposals go to this mailing list first. > > > > FWIW, he did post to the mailing list and he got an underwhelming response: > > > > http://sou

Re: [Bitcoin-development] A critique of bitcoin open source community

2013-10-19 Thread Jean-Paul Kogelman
On 2013-10-19, at 4:20 PM, Gregory Maxwell wrote: > On Sat, Oct 19, 2013 at 3:29 PM, Luke-Jr wrote: >> See BIP 1 for the process.. proposals go to this mailing list first. > > FWIW, he did post to the mailing list and he got an underwhelming response: > > http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/fo

Re: [Bitcoin-development] A critique of bitcoin open source community

2013-10-19 Thread Jean-Paul Kogelman
I submitted the proposal to the mailing list on July 19, 2003. On 2013-10-19, at 3:29 PM, Luke-Jr wrote: > On Saturday, October 19, 2013 9:16:24 PM Jean-Paul Kogelman wrote: >> I have a question regarding this part. I wrote a BIP for base 58 encoding / >> encryption of BIP 32 root keys. The BI

Re: [Bitcoin-development] A critique of bitcoin open source community

2013-10-19 Thread Jean-Paul Kogelman
On 2013-10-19, at 4:21 PM, Jean-Paul Kogelman wrote: > I submitted the proposal to the mailing list on July 19, 2003. That would be 2013. sorry. signature.asc Description: Message signed with OpenPGP using GPGMail --

Re: [Bitcoin-development] A critique of bitcoin open source community

2013-10-19 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Sat, Oct 19, 2013 at 3:29 PM, Luke-Jr wrote: > See BIP 1 for the process.. proposals go to this mailing list first. FWIW, he did post to the mailing list and he got an underwhelming response: http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?thread_name=20ec1e35-3051-45d6-b449-e4a4d5c06dc8%40me.co

Re: [Bitcoin-development] A critique of bitcoin open source community

2013-10-19 Thread Luke-Jr
On Saturday, October 19, 2013 9:16:24 PM Jean-Paul Kogelman wrote: > I have a question regarding this part. I wrote a BIP for base 58 encoding / > encryption of BIP 32 root keys. The BIP page states that we shouldn't add > to this list ourselves, but should contact you for a BIP number. I have > co

Re: [Bitcoin-development] A critique of bitcoin open source community

2013-10-19 Thread Mike Hearn
I was hoping to see something interesting and useful, but all I saw was absurd ranting. Example quote: It is not known where bitcoin contributors are based. Gavin Andersson, a major contributor, is a well-known South African anarchist/crypto-libertarian. Most contributors hide their identities. I

Re: [Bitcoin-development] A critique of bitcoin open source community

2013-10-19 Thread Jean-Paul Kogelman
On 2013-10-19, at 1:40 PM, Gregory Maxwell wrote: > > "I wasn't even allowed to edit the wiki" > > I'm confused about this, if he's referring to en.bitcoin.it. Editing > it is open to anyone who is willing to pay the 0.01 > (https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/BitcoinPayment) anti-spam fee. This isn't >

Re: [Bitcoin-development] A critique of bitcoin open source community

2013-10-19 Thread Mitar
Hi! Gregory, thank you for your time and answers. Just maybe to clarify where Nick is coming from, there are two previous articles: http://courses.ischool.berkeley.edu/i290m-ocpp/site/article/nmerrill-assign1.html http://courses.ischool.berkeley.edu/i290m-ocpp/site/article/nmerrill-assign2.html

Re: [Bitcoin-development] A critique of bitcoin open source community

2013-10-19 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Sat, Oct 19, 2013 at 9:38 AM, Mitar wrote: > Hi! > Interesting read: > http://courses.ischool.berkeley.edu/i290m-ocpp/site/article/nmerrill-assign3.html Hopefully Nick will show up someplace and offer some specific pointers to where we failed him. The only interaction I can find from him on I

Re: [Bitcoin-development] A critique of bitcoin open source community

2013-10-19 Thread Melvin Carvalho
On 19 October 2013 18:38, Mitar wrote: > Hi! > > Interesting read: > > > http://courses.ischool.berkeley.edu/i290m-ocpp/site/article/nmerrill-assign3.html > Im sympathetic to some of the points, but it seems slightly harsh. I do agree that we're lucky to have the excellent leadership of Gavin,

[Bitcoin-development] A critique of bitcoin open source community

2013-10-19 Thread Mitar
Hi! Interesting read: http://courses.ischool.berkeley.edu/i290m-ocpp/site/article/nmerrill-assign3.html Mitar -- http://mitar.tnode.com/ https://twitter.com/mitar_m -- October Webinars: Code for Performance Free Inte