Re: [blink-dev] Re: Intent to Experiment: IP Protection Phase 0

2024-03-10 Thread Mike Taylor
Hi Daniel, We don't have any further details to announce right now, but when we do we can update this thread. thanks, Mike On 3/8/24 7:28 PM, Daniel Santiago Rincón Silva wrote: Hi Brianna and team. I see that the readme has been updated to specify that the feature will be initially launch

[blink-dev] Re: Intent to Experiment: IP Protection Phase 0

2024-03-10 Thread Daniel Santiago Rincón Silva
Hi Brianna and team. I see that the readme has been updated to specify that the feature will be initially launched as an "opt-in setting in specific regions". Is there a tentative timeline for this roll-out as well as the candidate regions? Also will this roll-out still be limited to Google ser

[blink-dev] Re: Intent to Experiment: IP Protection Phase 0

2023-11-29 Thread Chris
Putting all other concerns aside, wouldn't this "ip protection" proxy allow the owner/controllers of the proxies to decide what websites and content the end user will and won't be allowed to access? Why is this problem not listed with other concerns in any of the proposal write ups I have read?

Re: [blink-dev] Re: Intent to Experiment: IP Protection Phase 0

2023-11-01 Thread 'Rick Byers' via blink-dev
LGTM, no concerns from me with experimenting. It seems like user and enterprise controls are in place, and since this is just about proxying 3P resources that reduces the risk of it impacting either site functionality or network filtering policy. Note that Chrome already has another (fully shipped

Re: [blink-dev] Re: Intent to Experiment: IP Protection Phase 0

2023-10-24 Thread Mike Taylor
Hi Daniel, You can read more about the Blink process for shipping features here: https://www.chromium.org/blink/launching-features/ And yes, we do have plans for phase 0 and phase 1 experiments (and possibly others, depending on what we learn in the process). best, Mike On 10/24/23 2:00 PM,

Re: [blink-dev] Re: Intent to Experiment: IP Protection Phase 0

2023-10-24 Thread Daniel Santiago Rincón Silva
Can you describe in more detail what are the steps that this proposal would go through in order to be approved? Is there voting from the community that needs to happen or internal Google decisions? Are the 'experimentation phases' mentioned by Mike above the phase 0 and 1 mentioned in the other

Re: [blink-dev] Re: Intent to Experiment: IP Protection Phase 0

2023-10-24 Thread ayumi hamasaki
What's the advantages / disadvantages of the IP Protection (formerly known as Gnatcatcher) compared to something like the Tor browser? On Tuesday, 24 October 2023 at 00:28:24 UTC+1 Mike Taylor wrote: > Hi Eric, > > Sure - we will have more details about which domains will be proxied as we > get

Re: [blink-dev] Re: Intent to Experiment: IP Protection Phase 0

2023-10-23 Thread Mike Taylor
Hi Eric, Sure - we will have more details about which domains will be proxied as we get past the experimentation phases and sent an Intent to Ship. thanks, Mike On 10/23/23 5:21 PM, Eric Browning wrote: Please publish the domains this feature will use so that school and district admins may b

Re: [blink-dev] Re: Intent to Experiment: IP Protection Phase 0

2023-10-23 Thread Mike Taylor
Hi Pete, Yes, users will be able to turn the feature off. See: https://github.com/GoogleChrome/ip-protection/issues/16 https://support.google.com/chrome/a/answer/7679408?sjid=15843372962730454051-NA#upChromeBrsrX118 thanks, Mike On 10/23/23 3:21 PM, Pete Stergion wrote: Will we be able to turn

[blink-dev] Re: Intent to Experiment: IP Protection Phase 0

2023-10-23 Thread Eric Browning
Please publish the domains this feature will use so that school and district admins may block it because of required governmental child safety filtering concerns. On Thursday, October 19, 2023 at 2:52:53 PM UTC-6 Brianna Goldstein wrote: > Contact emails > > Brianna Goldstein, James Bradley, Da

[blink-dev] Re: Intent to Experiment: IP Protection Phase 0

2023-10-23 Thread Pete Stergion
Will we be able to turn this feature off once it rolled out or will it be REQUIRED? The issue for us here at the Cornell University Library IT department is that we have resources that we access by whitelisting domain ip address/vlans to our ERM (Electronic Resource Mangement.) We do not want t

Re: [blink-dev] Re: Intent to Experiment: IP Protection Phase 0

2023-10-20 Thread Mike Taylor
Sure, the plan is to file one before any future I2S. But this isn't a blocking concern for this first experiment, imho. On 10/20/23 2:22 AM, Yoav Weiss wrote: I think it makes sense to file a TAG review as FYI in the future (non-blocking for this experiment) just to let the TAG know that this

Re: [blink-dev] Re: Intent to Experiment: IP Protection Phase 0

2023-10-19 Thread Martin Thomson
As Harald mentioned, this is based on ongoing IETF work, but I think that Mike's assessment is the relevant one: this is a choice that Chrome can make without necessarily getting approval from anyone. Apple's iCloud Private Relay is a very similar system that is well-known and favourably viewed.

Re: [blink-dev] Re: Intent to Experiment: IP Protection Phase 0

2023-10-19 Thread Yoav Weiss
I think it makes sense to file a TAG review as FYI in the future (non-blocking for this experiment) just to let the TAG know that this is happening, as it changes things significantly when it comes to fingerprinting data (by making other avenues of fingerprinting data more valuable than they curren

Re: [blink-dev] Re: Intent to Experiment: IP Protection Phase 0

2023-10-19 Thread 'Harald Alvestrand' via blink-dev
standard naming rant can we call this "IP Address Protection"? My initial read of the title was "Intellectual Property Protection", and I opened it with a sense of dread expecting to find DRM-related stuff and a long argument. There are IETF efforts related to automatic relays (MASQUE, OHAI),

Re: [blink-dev] Re: Intent to Experiment: IP Protection Phase 0

2023-10-19 Thread Alex Russell
This is going to change observable network behavior, right? The TAG liases with IETF, and if there aren't already active conversations in IETF about this change, I worry that it will be received poorly. On Thu, Oct 19, 2023, 7:15 PM Mike Taylor wrote: > I'm recused from voting on this feature so

Re: [blink-dev] Re: Intent to Experiment: IP Protection Phase 0

2023-10-19 Thread Mike Taylor
I'm recused from voting on this feature so with my API OWNER hat off (or maybe just back and to the side to make me look cool...), it's possible that we submit an FYI review in the future ahead of an I2S. That said, this is a feature that arguably does not materially alter web platform APIs, b

Re: [blink-dev] Re: Intent to Experiment: IP Protection Phase 0

2023-10-19 Thread Alex Russell
Why has the TAG not been consulted? On Thu, Oct 19, 2023, 3:09 PM 'Brianna Goldstein' via blink-dev < blink-dev@chromium.org> wrote: > *Correction*: > The link to the entry on the Chrome Platform Status was incorrect. Below > is the corrected link > > https://chromestatus.com/feature/511146023924

[blink-dev] Re: Intent to Experiment: IP Protection Phase 0

2023-10-19 Thread 'Brianna Goldstein' via blink-dev
*Correction*: The link to the entry on the Chrome Platform Status was incorrect. Below is the corrected link https://chromestatus.com/feature/5111460239245312 On Thu, Oct 19, 2023 at 4:52 PM Brianna Goldstein wrote: > Contact emails > > Brianna Goldstein , James Bradley > , David Schinazi > >