Re: Re : Re: Blind vs. mainstream distros

"... That said, there is a machine coming that may be even better in the future, as there is talk of RISC-V, which is a fully free and open processor architecture that has the potential to be more powerful than anything we've seen up to now. I'm watching this very closely." I'd like to check

Re: Re : Re: Blind vs. mainstream distros

Le 28/04/2017 à 01:20, Linux for blind general discussion a écrit : > The computers I use are ARM-based. One is based around an ARMv7 8-core > 32-bit processor, and the other is based around an aarch64, (ARMv8) > 64-bit quad-core processor. Both run from removable eMMC flash storage > has a

Re: Re : Re: Blind vs. mainstream distros

The computers I use are ARM-based. One is based around an ARMv7 8-core 32-bit processor, and the other is based around an aarch64, (ARMv8) 64-bit quad-core processor. Both run from removable eMMC flash storage has a capacity of 64GB on the 32-bit machine and 128GB on the 64-bit machine. Either

Re: Re : Re: Blind vs. mainstream distros

I think it's fair to say that, for Linux to ever break into the mainstream, we need mainstream PC makers and PC retailers to commit to offering machines that come pre-installed with Linux and not hide their Linux offerings where only those specifically looking for Linux will find it. Problem is,

Re: Blind vs. mainstream distros

Granted I am not reading all of this thread. Still on all mac products for at least the last ten years typing command f5 starts voice over...it is not automatic of course since not everyone desires it smiles. No idea how you define new mac, but its been around for ages. Karen On Thu, 27 Apr

Re: Blind vs. mainstream distros

Yep. In fact, if you buy a new Mac, press the power button, and let it sit, it’ll start talking, asking if you wish to enable Voiceover and go through the /built in tutorial/, which no other screen reader has. See, making Linux more useful for beginning users will

Re: Sonar GNU/Linux merges with Vinux

Yes, that's true, and it's why some like the Emacspeak "audio desktop" with its ability of playing media and presenting structured and formatted text which no other interface has come close to yet. Sure, Audacious is nice, and Emacs has no way of dealing with

Re: Sonar GNU/Linux merges with Vinux

According to John Heim: # Kyle, it is just your opinion that a screen reader should not be in the # kernel. And your reasoning for saying that amounts to that it shouldn't # be in the kernel. I'm sorry you have such a hard time fully reading what I wrote. I did indeed give a fair number of

Re: Sonar GNU/Linux merges with Vinux

Hi, Terminals exclude blind people for the remaining of society. It requieres real computing skills. Rejected by many users who use computer just to work. Terminal is unable to make the user have benefit with modern Web techno. Well, it's a geek interface, amazing but not for everybody. Just for

Re: Sonar GNU/Linux merges with Vinux

But we're talking about attracting blind users, right? Shells and terminals are more natural for us than GUIs. Instructing the computer is far more intuitive than pretending that it's a two-dimensional surface with pictures on it. Amanda On 4/27/17, Linux for blind general discussion

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Sure, but if eSpeak cannot read Emoji and such, and we want new users to use the web, they’ll quickly see that as "just another thing to file a bug about and hope some one will fix it." Although, people on the audio games forum are getting into Linux, and don’t seem

Re: Re : Re: Blind vs. mainstream distros

Le 27/04/2017 à 22:04, Linux for blind general discussion a écrit : > According to Jean-Philippe MENGUAL: > # That is why I think we should have pre-installed Linux computers, new, > but to a typical Mac price. > > Not at all. I for one don't want to have to pay the ridiculous price of > a Mac,

Re: Sonar GNU/Linux merges with Vinux

Good. Any work with speech dispatcher will go a long way. -- Sent from Discordia using Gnus for Emacs. Email: r.d.t.pra...@gmail.com Long days and pleasant nights! Linux for blind general discussion writes: > On Fri, Apr 28, 2017 at 02:27:12AM AEST, Linux for blind

Re: Sonar GNU/Linux merges with Vinux

According to r.d.t.prater: # Otherwise, they’ll turn back to iOS, and Voiceover, # which can speak Emoji and such, pretty quickly. Not quite. I happen to know that Android and Google's speech synthesizer can speak emojis as well, and has had such capability for some time. On my Android

Re: Sonar GNU/Linux merges with Vinux

#+OPTIONS: latex:t toc:nil H:3 However way we do it, it sure needs doing if we want wide adoption of Linux by the young blind, who /expect/ it to work. -- Sent from Discordia using Gnus for Emacs. Email: r.d.t.pra...@gmail.com Long days and pleasant nights! Linux for blind general

Re: Sonar GNU/Linux merges with Vinux

On Fri, Apr 28, 2017 at 02:27:12AM AEST, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: > At this point, speech-dispatcher is not designed to be a text processor, as > correct me if I'm wrong, but I do believe it assumes that supported > synthesizers already have built in text processing capabilities.

Re: Sonar GNU/Linux merges with Vinux

Linux for blind general discussion writes: > Sure, let synthesizers handle ASCII text, but give synthesizers the > textual pronunciation of Unicode characters, such as smiling face. Chris Brannon here. This works fine if you assume that everyone wants English and

Re: Re : Re: Blind vs. mainstream distros

According to Jean-Philippe MENGUAL: # That is why I think we should have pre-installed Linux computers, new, but to a typical Mac price. Not at all. I for one don't want to have to pay the ridiculous price of a Mac, and adding to the price certainly doesn't add to the value of the computer,

Re: Sonar GNU/Linux merges with Vinux

Kyle, it is just your opinion that a screen reader should not be in the kernel. And your reasoning for saying that amounts to that it shouldn't be in the kernel. You are making a meaningless distinction between a serial console and a screen reader. What difference does it make if there is a

Re: Sonar GNU/Linux merges with Vinux

Then we'd better get eSpeak supporting Unicode pronunciation before I can confidently recommend anything besides Emacspeak to younger generations. Otherwise, they’ll turn back to iOS, and Voiceover, which can speak Emoji and such, pretty quickly. I know, I’m not a

Re: Re : Re: Blind vs. mainstream distros

There's a company called System76 that appears to sell computers with Ubuntu already installed. I think the URL is https://system76.com though I just used www.system76.com You should also be able to find at least laptops via the Free Software Foundation site, and on these both the hardware

Re: Sonar GNU/Linux merges with Vinux

At this point, speech-dispatcher is not designed to be a text processor, as correct me if I'm wrong, but I do believe it assumes that supported synthesizers already have built in text processing capabilities. Any pronunciation handling in either speech-dispatcher or a screen reader should

Re: Sonar GNU/Linux merges with Vinux

well, the fact is, Speech Dispatcher is what Orca currently uses, so that Orca doesn’t have to keep up with changes to eSpeak’s functions. After all, having many communications between synthesizers is why Emacspeak’s eSpeak support is so bad in the first place,

Re: Sonar GNU/Linux merges with Vinux

Aall the money IAVIT has ever gotten has come from knowing someone. Most corporate foundations don't even take unsolicited grant applications. You have to get a sponsor in the company who can write the application for you. And you kind of have to allow them to drive the project. There may be

Re: list identification:

The only reason I had not already created a list was that I didn't want to be rude. I didn't feel it was my place to say, "Hey, lets move the list." And Red Hat has been kind to us for years. But I figure it can't hurt to create a list on iavit.org. If it doesn't work out, no harm is done. So

Re: Blind vs. mainstream distros

As I remember, Windows was always harder to install than Linux, even as a sighted user. Granted, I think part of this is that Windows still comes pre-installed on most PCs and has had this privilege since at least the Win9x days while PCs with Linux pre-installed are still fairly rare(hell, even

Re: Sonar GNU/Linux merges with Vinux

Saying a serial console is not kernel dependent is inaccurate and misleading. The part that displays the kernel boot messages is absolutely kernel dependent. I think you mean that you can get messages even earlier by, as a seperate step, configuring a serial console in the boot loader, right?

Re: Sonar GNU/Linux merges with Vinux

Sure, let synthesizers handle ASCII text, but give synthesizers the textual pronunciation of Unicode characters, such as smiling face. -- Sent from Discordia using Gnus for Emacs. Email: r.d.t.pra...@gmail.com Long days and pleasant nights! Linux for blind general discussion

Re: Sonar GNU/Linux merges with Vinux

I would argue that the pronunciation of symbols should most certainly be handled by the synthesizer rather than any intermediate layer. Letting the intermediate layers handle symbol pronunciation will only cause lots of problems similar to the "tiflda" problem we have in Speakup to this day.

Re: Sonar GNU/Linux merges with Vinux

As of four years ago the Carrol Center was teaching only windows. I know this as a Friend came in as did many others from different countries. The goal was to learn what to teach blind folks in the country they came from. Am I correct in thinking that Carrol center is all funded from Washington

Re: Blind vs. mainstream distros

Tony Baechler here. I have two major problems with this argument, namely what Chris says in that Talking Arch should be a separate project. I feel strongly that speech and Braille should be part of all boot media for all mainstream distros unless it wouldn't be practical, such as for very

Re: Blind vs. mainstream distros

Tony Baechler here. I'm sorry, but while your statement is true on paper, in reality, it's wrong. I know for a fact that Microsoft pays a huge amount of money into the W3C. I believe they are represented on the board. It isn't just them. Lots of big companies pay into them. I saw the list

Re: Sonar GNU/Linux merges with Vinux

Hmm. Facebook groups? Perhaps? I could handle that, if it please ya. Linux for the blind. Grant stuff, though, I’ll probably have to leave for those who know about petitioning and such. However, NVDA got plenty of grant money from Mozilla and Adobe, so we could

Re: Sonar GNU/Linux merges with Vinux

I agree with you, but when you say schools, you mean the government. They provide the majority of funding schools use for that sort of thing. I did not think of a grant writer. That sounds like a good place to start. --Kelly Prescott On Thu, 27 Apr 2017, Linux for blind general discussion

Re: list identification:

Kelly here. You have valid points. I also believe the blind have different needs then does many other disabilities. Why not go with iavit.org. The list is blind specific, and John will certainly be responsive to problems etc... Also, this is a organization we could use to help our cause as

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Tony Baechler here. Your comments again emphasize the need for a nonprofit organization. I wouldn't worry too much about the money. Funding will happen once the word gets out. Oh, it takes time and it won't be immediate, but it can and will happen. What we need is a grant writer. The

Re: list identification:

Tony Baechler here. I'm already doing this. It's a pain though and I'm going to leave the list soon. I'm waiting to see what other lists people gravitate to and whether a new list should be created. The problem I see with already existing lists like the FSF and gnu.org is they aren't really