Re: THE BLIND

2017-04-28 Thread Linux for blind general discussion
asn't going to be a geeky thread! :) -eric On Apr 28, 2017, at 8:06 PM, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: > I first heard the complaint about "the blind" from a staff member at The > Seeing Eye in 1979, when I got my first dog. She'd been reading a letter I

Re: Blind vs. mainstream distros

2017-04-28 Thread Linux for blind general discussion
Hey, Eric, you a Naruto fan, or did you go for the Sharingan just because it looks cool? Anyways, I'm not shy talking about my poor vision whenever people ask me about it, either in real life or online. Treating the subject as taboo just promotes ignorance, and I'd argue ignorance, moreso than mon

Re: Blind vs. mainstream distros

2017-04-28 Thread Linux for blind general discussion
e. It works. :) -eric On Apr 28, 2017, at 9:18 PM, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: > Hey, Eric, you a Naruto fan, or did you go for the Sharingan just > because it looks cool? > > Anyways, I'm not shy talking about my poor vision whenever people ask > me about it, eith

Re: Blind vs. mainstream distros

2017-04-28 Thread Linux for blind general discussion
Yes, it does sound quite striking, and the use of blue probably makes it stand out more than if you had gone with red like in the series. -- Sincerely, Jeffery Wright President Emeritus, Nu Nu Chapter, Phi Theta Kappa. Former Secretary, Student Government Association, College of the Albemarle.

Re: Re : Re: Blind vs. mainstream distros

2017-04-29 Thread Linux for blind general discussion
Tony Baechler here. On 4/28/2017 6:20 AM, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: Now that I think about it, I have no idea what the mixture of "blind from birth/a young age" and "blinded as an adult" is on this list, and I would imagine these groups would have very diffe

Re: SBL

2017-04-29 Thread Linux for blind general discussion
Tony Baechler here. On 4/28/2017 6:25 AM, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: 2. It requires a patched 2.2 kernel. Version 2.2 is rather ancient and long since dead. I didn't see a way in my quick reading of the docs to use newer kernels. Thats right if you want to use sbl wit

Re: Re : Re: Blind vs. mainstream distros

2017-04-29 Thread Linux for blind general discussion
. Email: r.d.t.pra...@gmail.com Long days and pleasant nights! Linux for blind general discussion writes: > Tony Baechler here. > > On 4/28/2017 6:20 AM, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: >> Now that I think about it, I have no idea what the mixture of "blind >> f

Re: Sonar GNU/Linux merges with Vinux

2017-04-29 Thread Linux for blind general discussion
Tony Baechler here. On 4/28/2017 6:42 AM, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: @Tony: Maybe I've just been lucky, but in my experience, most sighted people on the Internet are more than willing to try and explain graphical content to me if I ask nicely. Granted, I also avoid places

Re: Sonar GNU/Linux merges with Vinux

2017-04-29 Thread Linux for blind general discussion
Mostly Facebook, Whatsapp, the Audiogames forum, and teamtalk occasional, on and Skype too. -- Sent from Discordia using Gnus for Emacs. Email: r.d.t.pra...@gmail.com Long days and pleasant nights! Linux for blind general discussion writes: > Tony Baechler here. > > On 4/28/

Re: Fwd: accessible web-authoring system

2017-04-29 Thread Linux for blind general discussion
ates itself. On 4/28/2017 3:43 PM, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: hey guys, I forwarded this over from the Phoenix Linux Users Group. Perhaps one of us can help out? -eric Begin forwarded message: From: "der.hans" Subject: accessible web-authoring system Date: April 2

Re: Fwd: accessible web-authoring system

2017-04-29 Thread Linux for blind general discussion
On the lower tech end of things, one might also consider markdown, which allows one to create pages in plain text and then convert automatically to html. On a tangential point, does anyone know of any command line utility that can take oa directory of plain text files and will output a directory o

Re: Sonar GNU/Linux merges with Vinux

2017-04-29 Thread Linux for blind general discussion
I'm not as old fashioned as some, but I'll take a forum dedicated to a specific subject over the mega social sites anyday, and I'll leave promotion on the megasocial sites as an exercise for those who enjoy that environment. Outside of these blind-specific lists, I haven't run into very many blind

Re: SBL

2017-04-29 Thread Linux for blind general discussion
I'm using SBL under a 4.7.9 kernel, so it's apparent that whatever document mentions 2.2 is very out of date. -- Sincerely, Jeffery Wright President Emeritus, Nu Nu Chapter, Phi Theta Kappa. Former Secretary, Student Government Association, College of the Albemarle.

Re: Fwd: accessible web-authoring system

2017-04-29 Thread Linux for blind general discussion
Linux for blind general discussion writes: > On a tangential point, does anyone know of any command line utility > that can take oa directory of plain text files and will output a > directory of html files that add a set of first, prev, next, and last > links to the top and bottom o

Re: Re : Re: Blind vs. mainstream distros

2017-04-29 Thread Linux for blind general discussion
Do you or anybody else here know someone at the National Braille Press? it would be interesting to talk with someone there about their criteria for taking on a new book project. Fernando On 04/29/2017 02:59 AM, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: One idea that just popped into my

Re: THE BLIND

2017-04-29 Thread Linux for blind general discussion
Linux on a Braille notetaker. Like, wow, man! National Braille Press has a gismo that I believe is based on android, but I don't know of any others and hadn't heard of the one you mention. Al On 4/28/2017 11:48 PM, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: Eric Oyen here… H

Re: Re : Re: Blind vs. mainstream distros

2017-04-29 Thread Linux for blind general discussion
r.d.t.pra...@gmail.com Long days and pleasant nights! Linux for blind general discussion writes: > Do you or anybody else here know someone at the National Braille > Press? it would be interesting to talk with someone there about their > criteria for taking on a new book project. > &

Re: Re : Re: Blind vs. mainstream distros

2017-04-29 Thread Linux for blind general discussion
On a related note, is there any non-profit/government agency that deals with making audiobooks that might could be talked into converting such a ""Linux for (blind) newbies" into an audiobook? A braille edition should exist for completeness sake and because audio isn't viable for the blind deaf, bu

Re: Re : Re: Blind vs. mainstream distros

2017-04-29 Thread Linux for blind general discussion
Well, there's always the NLS, lol. Or, you could try and get Learning ally on board, or even Bookshare for the Braille/Daisyey formats., -- Sent from Discordia using Gnus for Emacs. Email: r.d.t.pra...@gmail.com Long days and pleasant nights! Linux for blind general discussion w

Re: Re : Re: Blind vs. mainstream distros

2017-04-29 Thread Linux for blind general discussion
Christopher (CJ) chaltain at Gmail On 29/04/17 09:22, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: On a related note, is there any non-profit/government agency that deals with making audiobooks that might could be talked into converting such a ""Linux for (blind) newbies" into an audio

Re: Re : Re: Blind vs. mainstream distros

2017-04-29 Thread Linux for blind general discussion
Thanks for the clarification about the National Braille Press. -- Sincerely, Jeffery Wright President Emeritus, Nu Nu Chapter, Phi Theta Kappa. Former Secretary, Student Government Association, College of the Albemarle. ___ Blinux-list mailing list Bl

Re: Re : Re: Blind vs. mainstream distros

2017-04-29 Thread Linux for blind general discussion
AM, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: #+OPTIONS: latex:t toc:nil H:3 I'm sorry. You'll have to go to, I think, [[http://www.nbp.org][the website]] to get more information and contact them that way, or find Ana G on the eyes free email list, abo

Re: Re : Re: Blind vs. mainstream distros

2017-04-29 Thread Linux for blind general discussion
be comparatively easy. > > > Fernando > > > > On 04/29/2017 05:44 AM, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: >> #+OPTIONS: latex:t toc:nil H:3 >> I'm sorry. You'll have to go to, I think, [[http://www.nbp.org][the >> website]] to get more informa

Re: Re : Re: Blind vs. mainstream distros

2017-04-29 Thread Linux for blind general discussion
Yeah, it's already a challenge to keep documentation aimed at power users up to date without the added difficulty of making it comprehendible to the new user in a way that doesn't come across as condescending, but once you have the content, it's trivial to distribute it in every major document form

Re: Re : Re: Blind vs. mainstream distros

2017-04-29 Thread Linux for blind general discussion
. Fernando On 04/29/2017 10:04 AM, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: Yes, it will be hard. Documentation for Linux is pretty sparse, finding stuff on accessibility is even harder. But, if it falls on my shoulders, I will try

Re: Re : Re: Blind vs. mainstream distros

2017-04-29 Thread Linux for blind general discussion
Gnus for Emacs. Email: r.d.t.pra...@gmail.com Long days and pleasant nights! Linux for blind general discussion writes: > Well, I am going to try to do just that. Although the focus will not > be very small children, I am hoping to help teenagers and older, > together with giving them

Re: Re : Re: Blind vs. mainstream distros

2017-04-29 Thread Linux for blind general discussion
Agreed. We plan to address that by giving people the ability to open an instance of X with a GUI browser. No tool will have everything, but Linux gives us enough flexibility to make-up for the short-comings of text browsers. Fernando On 04/29/2017 11:55 AM, Linux for blind general

Re: Re : Re: Blind vs. mainstream distros

2017-04-29 Thread Linux for blind general discussion
acs. Email: r.d.t.pra...@gmail.com Long days and pleasant nights! Linux for blind general discussion writes: > Agreed. We plan to address that by giving people the ability to open > an instance of X with a GUI browser. > > No tool will have everything, but Linux gives us enough flexib

Re: Sonar GNU/Linux merges with Vinux

2017-04-29 Thread Linux for blind general discussion
Luke Yelavich here, reply inline. On Wed, Apr 26, 2017 at 09:04:56PM AEST, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: > Am I correct in saying that while in theory it could be done, isn't it > impractical? Taking a standard initramfs on a standard Debian-based system, > how would

Re: Re : Re: Blind vs. mainstream distros

2017-04-29 Thread Linux for blind general discussion
The reason that I only work within the public domain is because of the misconception that copyright monopolies are the only means by which artists and authors may be paid for their work. However, this is a myth that has been propagated since the copyright monopoly was originally decreed by the

Re: Sonar GNU/Linux merges with Vinux

2017-04-29 Thread Linux for blind general discussion
To be fair, unless Tumblr has seriously changed since I last used it before migrating to WordPress, it is totally accessible if used correctly. It is a blogging platform, similar in many ways to WordPress or even Blogger by Google, it's just a different underlying back-end system handling thing

Re: THE BLIND

2017-04-29 Thread Linux for blind general discussion
t all around OS and toolkit to use just about anywhere. -eric On Apr 29, 2017, at 6:39 AM, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: > Linux on a Braille notetaker. Like, wow, man! National Braille Press has a > gismo that I believe is based on android, but I don't know of any othe

Fenrir

2017-04-30 Thread Linux for blind general discussion
I tried everything, but I can't get the latest Fenrir from git to run. I installed all of the necessary Python3 packages. It starts fine and shows a bunch of output, but shortly crashes. I'm running Debian testing 64-bit. I think it's related to dbus but I know nothing about it or how to fix it.

Fwd: [Lynx-dev] ANN: lynx2.8.9dev.12

2017-04-30 Thread Linux for blind general discussion
I'm forwarding this for those who may be interested. I expect it to show up in Debian testing soon. The current version of lynx is 2.8.8 It's available at http://lynx.invisible-island.net/ ftp://invisible-island.net/lynx/ 2.8.9 Development & patches: http://lynx.invisibl

Re: Fenrir

2017-04-30 Thread Linux for blind general discussion
Linux for blind general discussion writes: > I'm not running > systemd and I won't install it here. I don't think that's the problem > as the install.sh script ran fine *SNIP* > dbus.exceptions.DBusException: > org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.NameHasN

Re: [Linux] Fwd: [Lynx-dev] ANN: lynx2.8.9dev.12

2017-04-30 Thread Linux for blind general discussion
Tony Baechler replying to myself. There was a minor regression, so make that dev.13 instead. The only change was to fix the regression. Sorry! ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list

Re: Re : Re: Blind vs. mainstream distros

2017-04-30 Thread Linux for blind general discussion
[Fernando] Lars Bjørndal here > Agreed. We plan to address that by giving people the ability to open an > instance of X with a GUI browser. With braille support? Lars > On 04/29/2017 11:55 AM, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: > > The biggest problem that I see, with

Re: Fenrir

2017-04-30 Thread Linux for blind general discussion
Howdy my Frind, thanks for your response. Fenrir uses "logind" for detect TTYs that running an X server to ignore it. (this is needed to not consume fenrir shortcuts on X). LoginD is a part of systemd. I can catch up the error quite easy. But then we need a fallback solution to detect running

Re: Fwd: accessible web-authoring system

2017-04-30 Thread Linux for blind general discussion
HTML documentation, it works fine. On 4/29/2017 5:12 AM, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: On the lower tech end of things, one might also consider markdown, which allows one to create pages in plain text and then convert automatically to

Re: THE BLIND

2017-04-30 Thread Linux for blind general discussion
HIMS Blaze ET DAISY player runs Android. The VR Stream runs Linux. I've personally confirmed both statements. Taking a look at the initrd of the Stream is interesting. On 4/29/2017 6:39 AM, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: Linux on a Braille notetaker. Like, wow, man! National

How to use fenrir screen reader

2017-04-30 Thread Linux for blind general discussion
Howdy, sorry since i did not follow the blinux list (until now ;) ) i did not get your question. I m the main developer of fenrir. I was really bussy in writing an initial user manual for fenrir the last weeks (with a lot of help of Rob and storm -> Tanks to them). it covers master and is

Re: Re : Re: Blind vs. mainstream distros

2017-04-30 Thread Linux for blind general discussion
If you could convince the ACB that it would be in their best interest to fund it and would help a potentially large amount of the blind population, they might at least promote it. On 4/29/2017 7:22 AM, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: On a related note, is there any non-profit/govern

Re: Sonar GNU/Linux merges with Vinux

2017-04-30 Thread Linux for blind general discussion
Tony Baechler here. On 4/29/2017 3:26 PM, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: Having thought about this though, it may be worth putting together a special build of speech-dispatcher that is usable in an initramfs. I may end up doing this anyway just for kicks. If you do, I would be

Tumblr

2017-04-30 Thread Linux for blind general discussion
"e" to jump to it because it wraps around to the "search tumblr" box which isn't what you want. If you find workarounds or know of a better way to navigate it, I'm very interested! On 4/29/2017 5:44 PM, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: To be fair, unless Tum

Re: THE BLIND

2017-04-30 Thread Linux for blind general discussion
full package cost about $2,300. On 4/30/2017 4:07 AM, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: Tony Baechler here. There was a company called Levelstar who produced the Icon. It ran a 2.X kernel. APH added Braille support and a Braille keyboard. They sold it as the Braille Plus. I have one for

Announcing 4.10. Debian Speakup kernel packages

2017-04-30 Thread Linux for blind general discussion
Hi all, I've compiled the Debian kernel 4.10.7 source with the latest Speakup patches from speakup2.tgz. They are only for AMD64, but if there is demand, I'll compile for x86 32-bit. They should be identical to the Debian 4.10.7 packages except for the Speakup patches. I also uploaded 4.3.3 an

Re: Re : Re: Blind vs. mainstream distros

2017-04-30 Thread Linux for blind general discussion
No, probably not. Emacspeak is audio only. Sometimes I like that, sometimes I don’t. -- Sent from Discordia using Gnus for Emacs. Email: r.d.t.pra...@gmail.com Long days and pleasant nights! Linux for blind general discussion writes: > [Fernando] > > Lars Bjørndal here > &

Re: Re : Re: Blind vs. mainstream distros

2017-04-30 Thread Linux for blind general discussion
I don't use emacs, and so have no interest in emacspeak, and maybe my opinion would be different if I used braille, but while I comprehend the need for well developed braille and speech tools and the ability for these tools to work together for users who use both, I personally prefer that braille a

Re: Re : Re: Blind vs. mainstream distros

2017-04-30 Thread Linux for blind general discussion
Thank you for the link!! Al On 4/29/2017 8:23 PM, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: The reason that I only work within the public domain is because of the misconception that copyright monopolies are the only means by which artists and authors may be paid for their work. However, this

Re: Re : Re: Blind vs. mainstream distros

2017-04-30 Thread Linux for blind general discussion
In all fairness, how often does a complaint of copyright, patent, or trademark infringement come from the actual author, inventor, artist, etc. who created the work in question? Best I can tell, complaints of infringement almost always come from the executives of the publisher, most of whom had not

Re: Re : Re: Blind vs. mainstream distros

2017-04-30 Thread Linux for blind general discussion
Yep, I totally agree. -- Sent from Discordia using Gnus for Emacs. Email: r.d.t.pra...@gmail.com Long days and pleasant nights! Linux for blind general discussion writes: > In all fairness, how often does a complaint of copyright, patent, or > trademark infringement come from the actual

Re: Tumblr

2017-04-30 Thread Linux for blind general discussion
I actually migrated to my own self-hosted WordPress very shortly after Yahoo took over Tumblr, so a lot has probably changed since then. I did see at least a mostly usable login page when I visited tumblr.com, but although my site is still there, and although posts to my WordPress still get sen

Re: THE BLIND

2017-04-30 Thread Linux for blind general discussion
I remember that Icon thing. I actually wanted one at the time I saw it, but first off, I never had the budget for it and felt that the price was a bit steep, and worse still, I was already using Espeak at that time, and was highly disappointed to learn that at least then, I wasn't able to chang

Help installing Ubuntu Mate

2017-04-30 Thread Linux for blind general discussion
I didn't have good luck with Vinux so decided to go with something more mainstream. I have a bootable DVD and I managed to boot from it. I heard the drum sound which indicates Ubuntu has started. BRLTTY also started and gave me its useless 'screen not in text mode' message. But Orca didn't speak wh

Re: Sonar GNU/Linux merges with Vinux

2017-04-30 Thread Linux for blind general discussion
Luke Yelavich here, reply is inline. On Sun, Apr 30, 2017 at 09:23:20PM AEST, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: > If you do, I would be interested in testing it. I thought of another problem > though. What about unmuting the sound? I'm using the snd_emu10k1 module. > Wit

Re: Re : Re: Blind vs. mainstream distros

2017-04-30 Thread Linux for blind general discussion
discussion wrote: [Fernando] Lars Bjørndal here Agreed. We plan to address that by giving people the ability to open an instance of X with a GUI browser. With braille support? Lars On 04/29/2017 11:55 AM, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: The biggest problem that I see, with Emacspeak alone

Re: Re : Re: Blind vs. mainstream distros

2017-04-30 Thread Linux for blind general discussion
I have a Braille display, so I could test. -- Sent from Discordia using Gnus for Emacs. Email: r.d.t.pra...@gmail.com Long days and pleasant nights! Linux for blind general discussion writes: > Hi Lars, > > Our focus is usually on keeping things very low-cost, in order to ge

Re: Sonar GNU/Linux merges with Vinux

2017-04-30 Thread Linux for blind general discussion
oes indeed work. Luke Yelavich here, reply inline. > On Fri, Apr 28, 2017 at 11:18:22PM AEST, Linux for blind general discussion > wrote: > BTW.: During this discussion many things have been said about commercial > and specialized distros, but IMHO things like systemd or pulse

Re: Re : Re: Blind vs. mainstream distros

2017-05-01 Thread Linux for blind general discussion
04/30/2017 07:31 AM, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: > > [Fernando] > > > > Lars Bjørndal here > > > > > Agreed. We plan to address that by giving people the ability to open an > > > instance of X with a GUI browser. > > With braille support

Re: Re : Re: Blind vs. mainstream distros

2017-05-01 Thread Linux for blind general discussion
No problem. Since our work will be based on ARCH, there is a good chance that what has been done for other distros will also work on ours. Fernando On 05/01/2017 04:09 AM, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: [Fernando] [...] Our focus is usually on keeping things very low-cost, in

Re: Re : Re: Blind vs. mainstream distros

2017-05-01 Thread Linux for blind general discussion
Sounds great! Thanks. Please join our list in oder to receive download links when they become available. Thanks, Fernando On 04/30/2017 03:22 PM, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: I have a Braille display, so I could test. ___ Blinux

Re: Re : Re: Blind vs. mainstream distros

2017-05-01 Thread Linux for blind general discussion
I'm already on the list. :) I await those links! :) -- Sent from Discordia using Gnus for Emacs. Email: r.d.t.pra...@gmail.com Long days and pleasant nights! Linux for blind general discussion writes: > Sounds great! Thanks. Please join our list in oder to receive download > link

Re: Blind vs. mainstream distros

2017-05-01 Thread Linux for blind general discussion
Hello, This is Samuel. Linux for blind general discussion, on dim. 23 avril 2017 22:38:30 -0400, wrote: > further the experience of blindness is not required to program accessible > installers etc. I believe it is, and that it's the main reason for lacking accessibility features in

Re: Help installing Ubuntu Mate

2017-05-01 Thread Linux for blind general discussion
ping On 4/30/17, Amanda Lacy wrote: > I didn't have good luck with Vinux so decided to go with something > more mainstream. I have a bootable DVD and I managed to boot from it. > I heard the drum sound which indicates Ubuntu has started. BRLTTY also > started and gave me its useless 'screen not i

Re: Blind vs. mainstream distros

2017-05-01 Thread Linux for blind general discussion
Hello, this is Samuel, Christopher, on ven. 21 avril 2017 20:05:04 -0500, wrote: > I also think that custom distributions is just part of the Linux ecosystem. > How many custom distributions are there out there to satisfy every niche? Sure. > I don't think this should be any different for the bl

Re: Blind vs. mainstream distros

2017-05-01 Thread Linux for blind general discussion
Hello, this is Samuel, Kyle, on dim. 23 avril 2017 17:18:17 -0400, wrote: > Debian even unstable takes parts of 2 or 3 different versions and > tries to fit them together. Well, that is not supposed to happen. I checked the MATE uploads, in the past year uploads have been made coherently in unsta

Re: Blind vs. mainstream distros

2017-05-01 Thread Linux for blind general discussion
Hello, this is Samuel, Kyle, on dim. 23 avril 2017 18:45:32 -0400, wrote: > backports is still not kept up-to-date with the latest improvements, > and is still a larger gap between the running version and the upstream > developer, where bug reports are most effective. That's not necessarily so.

Re: Blind vs. mainstream distros

2017-05-01 Thread Linux for blind general discussion
Hello, this is Samuel, Kyle, on lun. 24 avril 2017 07:35:02 -0400, wrote: > The main problem is that [Arch] already have a brltty package, but > the brltty-minimal package is needed in order to make it work without > pulling in lots of unneeded dependencies. This will always need to be > in a sepa

Re: Blind vs. mainstream distros

2017-05-01 Thread Linux for blind general discussion
Hello, this is Samuel, Chris, on lun. 24 avril 2017 07:48:29 -0700, wrote: > Frankly, my preference is not to have to type random incantations at a > boot prompt. I call this "type and pray". Power up the box, try to > guess when it boots, You don't need to guess thanks to the boot menu beep.

Re: Sonar GNU/Linux merges with Vinux

2017-05-01 Thread Linux for blind general discussion
Hello, this is Samuel, Tony, on mer. 26 avril 2017 03:26:56 -0700, wrote: > As I understand it, it isn't the fault of Speakup that it took so long to > get to staging and is still there. The kernel developers were absolutely > opposed to including it and wouldn't help at all. That's not exactly r

Re: Sonar GNU/Linux merges with Vinux

2017-05-01 Thread Linux for blind general discussion
Hello, this is Samuel, Eric Oyen, on mar. 18 avril 2017 08:23:34 -0700, wrote: > here is one thing that might be distro independent: create an > accessibility package set. As mentioned by others in the thread, doing it as a distribution of binaries will lead to a lot of problems. Having it as a

Re: Sonar GNU/Linux merges with Vinux

2017-05-01 Thread Linux for blind general discussion
y distro > accessible. Linux for blind general discussion, on dim. 23 avril 2017 04:13:32 -0700, wrote: > to create a list of as many config files as possible for as many > programs as possible, roughly divided into console and GUI. My thought > would be, for example, special configs for Lyn

Re: Blind vs. mainstream distros

2017-05-01 Thread Linux for blind general discussion
Samuel writes: > Chris, on lun. 24 avril 2017 07:48:29 -0700, answered: >> Yeah, brltty-minimal cuts out a lot of dependencies you don't want or >> need on a console-only CD. > > Ok, but couldn't Arch include a brltty-minimal package? For the people > who want a minimally-installed system, that m

Re: Blind vs. mainstream distros

2017-05-01 Thread Linux for blind general discussion
Hello, it's Samuel, Chris, on lun. 01 mai 2017 10:58:33 -0700, wrote: > As for point 1, you're always going to have to do some research as a > blind person if you want to install any Linux distro. Well, not necessarily, if it's done right, i.e. the documentation for accessibility is in the expect

Re: Blind vs. mainstream distros

2017-05-01 Thread Linux for blind general discussion
Did people actually complain about the beep? If so, I'm starting to think the sighted end-users aren't willing to make any compromise at all for the benefit of their blind peers. Though, while we're on the subject, is there any technical reason the beep couldn't be replaced with a prerecorded mess

Re: Blind vs. mainstream distros

2017-05-01 Thread Linux for blind general discussion
Samuel writes: > for instance, because I documented how to test the speech-enabled > installer on https://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Accessibility , > some debian-installer people do test it before releasing. Yay! >> What I am saying is that if a distro is going to make releases >> with bui

Re: Blind vs. mainstream distros

2017-05-01 Thread Linux for blind general discussion
According to Samuel # I'm not saying that things are happening rightly ATM, but saying that # things just always go that way in Debian is misleading, it's only MATE # maintainers which seemingly don't proceed as they are supposed to. Unfortunately this is far from my experience, as the first time

Re: Blind vs. mainstream distros

2017-05-01 Thread Linux for blind general discussion
Hello, Jefferey, on lun. 01 mai 2017 18:26:42 +, wrote: > Did people actually complain about the beep? Yes. The debian-boot people did complain that when they test images, they'd keep getting beeps along all the tests. The compromise was then found to include the beep only on the release imag

Re: Blind vs. mainstream distros

2017-05-01 Thread Linux for blind general discussion
Chris, on lun. 01 mai 2017 11:27:22 -0700, wrote: > Samuel writes: > > https://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Accessibility > > The braille case is a little more difficult. For a couple years when > I was developing Talking Arch, I didn't have access to a braille > display. That's not a problem

Re: Blind vs. mainstream distros

2017-05-01 Thread Linux for blind general discussion
Samuel Thibault, on lun. 01 mai 2017 21:16:16 +0200, wrote: > But if nobody had complained, it wouldn't. And by "complain", I don't mean "babble about it on some random mailing list or IRC channel somewhere on the Internet", but a proper report on the debian-accessibility list. I'm really amazed

Re: Blind vs. mainstream distros

2017-05-01 Thread Linux for blind general discussion
According to Chris # When I maintained Talking Arch, I tested every release with at least one # boot to make sure that it came up talking. I'm sure Kyle and Kelly do # the same. Absolutely. In fact, I build the TalkingArch iso after being sure my working copy is in sync with the upstream Archis

Re: Blind vs. mainstream distros

2017-05-01 Thread Linux for blind general discussion
Fair point about the need for communication with the proper channels, but that also requires that people know about the proper channels. Perhaps I'm guilty of not doing due diligence in seeking out the proper channels, and perhaps whoever organizes the Debian website is guilty of not putting the in

Re: Blind vs. mainstream distros

2017-05-01 Thread Linux for blind general discussion
Luke Yelavich here, reply inline. > The technical reason is merely that it needs implemeting withing > syslinux: that requires sound drivers and whatnot, while the BIOS itself > provides the support for beeps. So it's feasible, just needs to be done. We also have to keep the move to UEFI in mind

Re: Blind vs. mainstream distros

2017-05-01 Thread Linux for blind general discussion
Jeffery, on lun. 01 mai 2017 20:32:29 +, wrote: > I would like a link to the subscribe page for the Debian Accessibility > List. https://lists.debian.org/debian-accessibility/ Samuel ___ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@redhat.com https://www.r

Re: Blind vs. mainstream distros

2017-05-01 Thread Linux for blind general discussion
Samuel here, Luke, on mar. 02 mai 2017 06:36:14 +1000, wrote: > Luke Yelavich here, reply inline. > > The technical reason is merely that it needs implemeting withing > > syslinux: that requires sound drivers and whatnot, while the BIOS itself > > provides the support for beeps. So it's feasible,

Accessibility Project Mailing Lists

2017-05-01 Thread Linux for blind general discussion
Someone on the Linux for Blind General Discussion List hosted by RedHat made a good point about the need for the users of accessibility tools to communicate with the developers of those tools, and figured it could use it's own thread both on the originating list as well on IAVIT's Tech

Re: Blind vs. mainstream distros

2017-05-01 Thread Linux for blind general discussion
Thanks for the link to the Debian Accessibility List. I have now subscribed to that list. -- Sincerely, Jeffery Wright President Emeritus, Nu Nu Chapter, Phi Theta Kappa. Former Secretary, Student Government Association, College of the Albemarle. ___

Re: Accessibility Project Mailing Lists

2017-05-01 Thread Linux for blind general discussion
Hello, this is Samuel, Linux for blind general discussion, on lun. 01 mai 2017 20:49:59 +, wrote: > So, if you know of any mailing lists for specific accessibility > projects to allow users and developers to discuss features, issues, > bugs, etc., please share any information you can

Re: Blind vs. mainstream distros

2017-05-01 Thread Linux for blind general discussion
Linux for blind general discussion wrote: Hello, Jefferey, on lun. 01 mai 2017 18:26:42 +, wrote: Did people actually complain about the beep? Yes. The debian-boot people did complain that when they test images, they'd keep getting beeps along all the tests. The compromise was the

Re: Help installing Ubuntu Mate

2017-05-02 Thread Linux for blind general discussion
s stuck at a prompt. I don't have a Braille display here, but I suppose brltty could be getting in the way. The only problem I had starting speech is the very low volume, but I learned to wait a few minutes after the drum sound. bats at batsupport dot com On 4/30/2017 1:42 PM, Linux fo

Re: Blind vs. mainstream distros

2017-05-02 Thread Linux for blind general discussion
Tony Baechler here. On 5/1/2017 10:58 AM, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: I'm not arguing that specialized distros are necessarily better or even needed. What I am saying is that if a distro is going to make releases with builtin accessibility, they better have someone on

Re: Blind vs. mainstream distros

2017-05-02 Thread Linux for blind general discussion
Tony Baechler here. Samuel can comment on some points, but here are my thoughts: On 5/1/2017 11:26 AM, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: Did people actually complain about the beep? If so, I'm starting to think the sighted end-users aren't willing to make any compromise at a

Re: Blind vs. mainstream distros

2017-05-02 Thread Linux for blind general discussion
Samuel here, Tony, on mar. 02 mai 2017 04:48:46 -0700, wrote: > Sometimes, text scrolls off the screen, in which case there isn't an > easy way to repeat it. Now the text debconf frontend only displays a page worth of options, and a shortcut allows to switch to the next page of options. Samuel

Re: Accessibility Project Mailing Lists

2017-05-02 Thread Linux for blind general discussion
Tony Baechler here. On 5/1/2017 2:12 PM, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: I have added a list of lists on https://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Accessibility/ I noticed a few things: 1. NVDA isn't related to Linux and Windows isn't free software. Does it belong? 2. The Orca

Re: Blind vs. mainstream distros

2017-05-02 Thread Linux for blind general discussion
Replying to myself. I meant syslinux. Also, my machine has no PC speaker, so sound card support would be very helpful. On 5/2/2017 4:48 AM, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: Samuel can comment. The biggest problem has to do with loading sound drivers early in the boot process. It would

Re: Accessibility Project Mailing Lists

2017-05-02 Thread Linux for blind general discussion
Samuel here, Tony, on mar. 02 mai 2017 05:05:30 -0700, wrote: > 1. NVDA isn't related to Linux and Windows isn't free software. Does it > belong? Depends what people want :) NVDA is free software, and it makes a lot of sense to synchronize with it: we at least share espeak, liblouis, brltty. >

Re: Accessibility Project Mailing Lists

2017-05-02 Thread Linux for blind general discussion
While I myself am a Linux user, I agree FOSS accessibility projects for non-FOSS OSes are still relevant. After all, many people dual-boot Windows and Linux or have multiple machines running differing OSes. -- Sincerely, Jeffery Wright President Emeritus, Nu Nu Chapter, Phi Theta Kappa. Former S

Re: SBL

2017-05-02 Thread Linux for blind general discussion
Christian here..., reply inline, On Sat, 29 Apr 2017 08:11:49 +1000, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: > Luke Yelavich here, reply inline. > > On Fri, Apr 28, 2017 at 11:25:38PM AEST, Linux for blind general > discussion wrote: >>> 2. It requires a patched 2.2 k

Re: Accessibility Project Mailing Lists

2017-05-02 Thread Linux for blind general discussion
Hi Samuel and all, On Mon, 1 May 2017 23:12:59 +0200, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: > > Linux for blind general discussion, on lun. 01 mai 2017 20:49:59 > +, wrote: >> So, if you know of any mailing lists for specific accessibility >> projects to allow us

Re: Sonar GNU/Linux merges with Vinux

2017-05-02 Thread Linux for blind general discussion
Christian here, reply inline, On Sat, 29 Apr 2017 08:07:59 +1000, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: > Luke Yelavich here, reply inline. > > On Fri, Apr 28, 2017 at 11:18:22PM AEST, Linux for blind general > discussion wrote: >> BTW.: During this discussion many thi

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