Re: [Bloat] [Cerowrt-devel] Fixing bufferbloat: How about an open letter to the web benchmarkers?

2014-09-12 Thread David P. Reed
I have a working ping-over-http mobile browser app at alt.reed.com. feel free to try it and look at the underlying packet stream with wireshark. I did a prototype of a RRUL test using Web sockets and a modified nginx websocket module as a server that could be commanded to generate precise tra

Re: [Bloat] [Cerowrt-devel] Fixing bufferbloat: How about an open letter to the web benchmarkers?

2014-09-12 Thread Rick Jones
On 09/11/2014 06:48 PM, Rich Brown wrote: Jonathan, Could we make use of the existing test servers (running netperf) for that demonstration? How hard is the protocol to fake in Javascript? Not having coded a stitch of this, I *think* it would require the following: - Web page on netperf-xx

Re: [Bloat] Fixing bufferbloat: How about an open letter to the web benchmarkers?

2014-09-12 Thread Jesper Dangaard Brouer
On Fri, 12 Sep 2014 08:16:46 -0400 Rich Brown wrote: > On Sep 12, 2014, at 3:17 AM, Jesper Dangaard Brouer > wrote: > > > On Thu, 11 Sep 2014 20:13:19 -0400 Rich Brown > > wrote: > > [...] > > > > The 98th percentile latency is of-cause nice, but we should remember to > > keep our request

Re: [Bloat] Fixing bufferbloat: How about an open letter to the web benchmarkers?

2014-09-12 Thread Rich Brown
On Sep 12, 2014, at 3:17 AM, Jesper Dangaard Brouer wrote: > On Thu, 11 Sep 2014 20:13:19 -0400 > Rich Brown wrote: > >> I'll sign too. (And I like the 98th percentile measure for each >> direction to give a single number that represents what's happening. It >> could include ping loss rate, as

Re: [Bloat] What is wrong with Microsoft's receive window auto-tuning?

2014-09-12 Thread Jerry Jongerius
I have published some more details here: http://www.duckware.com/blog/microsoft-windows-receive-window-auto-tuning-causes-bufferbloat/index.html The problem is that a 'receive window set too large' causes (bufferbloat and) RTT times to increase to over 200ms, which then all of sudden causes bad

Re: [Bloat] [Cerowrt-devel] Fixing bufferbloat: How about an open letter to the web benchmarkers?

2014-09-12 Thread Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
Dave Taht writes: > What if we could publish an open letter to the benchmark makers such > as speedtest, explaining how engineering for their test does *not* > make for a better internet? The press fallout from that letter, would > improve some user education, regardless if we could get the tests

Re: [Bloat] Fixing bufferbloat: How about an open letter to the web benchmarkers?

2014-09-12 Thread Jesper Dangaard Brouer
On Thu, 11 Sep 2014 20:13:19 -0400 Rich Brown wrote: > I'll sign too. (And I like the 98th percentile measure for each > direction to give a single number that represents what's happening. It > could include ping loss rate, as well...) I'll sign too. The 98th percentile latency is of-cause nice