Re: [Bloat] [Rpm] [Starlink] [LibreQoS] On FiWi

2023-03-15 Thread dan via Bloat
On Mar 15, 2023 at 4:04:27 PM, Dave Taht wrote: > On Wed, Mar 15, 2023 at 2:52 PM David Lang wrote: > > > On Wed, 15 Mar 2023, Dave Taht wrote: > > > > On Wed, Mar 15, 2023 at 12:33 PM David Lang via Rpm > > > wrote: > > >> > > >> if you want another example of the failure, look at any

Re: [Bloat] [Rpm] [Starlink] [LibreQoS] On FiWi

2023-03-15 Thread Dave Taht via Bloat
On Wed, Mar 15, 2023 at 2:52 PM David Lang wrote: > > On Wed, 15 Mar 2023, Dave Taht wrote: > > > On Wed, Mar 15, 2023 at 12:33 PM David Lang via Rpm > > wrote: > >> > >> if you want another example of the failure, look at any conference center, > >> they > >> have a small number of APs with

Re: [Bloat] [Rpm] [Starlink] [LibreQoS] On FiWi

2023-03-15 Thread David Lang via Bloat
On Wed, 15 Mar 2023, Dave Taht wrote: On Wed, Mar 15, 2023 at 12:33 PM David Lang via Rpm wrote: if you want another example of the failure, look at any conference center, they have a small number of APs with wide coverage. It works well when the place is empty and they walk around and test

Re: [Bloat] [Rpm] [Starlink] [LibreQoS] On FiWi

2023-03-15 Thread Dave Taht via Bloat
On Wed, Mar 15, 2023 at 12:33 PM David Lang via Rpm wrote: > > if you want another example of the failure, look at any conference center, > they > have a small number of APs with wide coverage. It works well when the place is > empty and they walk around and test it, but when it fills up with

Re: [Bloat] [Rpm] [Starlink] [LibreQoS] On FiWi

2023-03-15 Thread rjmcmahon via Bloat
I have sometimes thought that LiFi (https://lifi.co/) would suddenly come out of the woodwork, and we would be networking over that through the household. I think the wishful thinking is "coming from woodwork" vs coming from the current and near future state of engineering. Engineering comes

Re: [Bloat] [Starlink] [LibreQoS] [Rpm] On FiWi

2023-03-15 Thread David Lang via Bloat
if you want another example of the failure, look at any conference center, they have a small number of APs with wide coverage. It works well when the place is empty and they walk around and test it, but when it fills up with users, the entire network collapses. Part of this is that wifi was

Re: [Bloat] [Rpm] [Starlink] [LibreQoS] On FiWi

2023-03-15 Thread David Lang via Bloat
On Wed, 15 Mar 2023, Bruce Perens via Bloat wrote: There is an upper limit on the bandwidth that one user can ever require. It is probably what is needed for full-sphere VR at the perceptual limit. I would disagree with this. This assumes that you are only streaming the data. If you then

Re: [Bloat] [Rpm] [Starlink] [LibreQoS] On FiWi

2023-03-15 Thread dan via Bloat
On Wed, Mar 15, 2023 at 11:53 AM Dave Taht wrote: > On Wed, Mar 15, 2023 at 10:49 AM rjmcmahon via Rpm > wrote: > > > > Agreed, AQM is like an emergency brake. Go ahead and keep it but hope to > > never need to use it. > > Tee-hee, flow queuing is like having a 1024 lanes that can be used for >

Re: [Bloat] [Rpm] [Starlink] [LibreQoS] On FiWi

2023-03-15 Thread Dave Taht via Bloat
On Wed, Mar 15, 2023 at 10:49 AM rjmcmahon via Rpm wrote: > > Agreed, AQM is like an emergency brake. Go ahead and keep it but hope to > never need to use it. Tee-hee, flow queuing is like having a 1024 lanes that can be used for everything from pedestrians, to bicycles, to trucks and trains. I

Re: [Bloat] [Starlink] [LibreQoS] [Rpm] On FiWi

2023-03-15 Thread rjmcmahon via Bloat
Agreed, AQM is like an emergency brake. Go ahead and keep it but hope to never need to use it. Bob Hi Bob, I like your design sketch and the ideas behind it. On Mar 15, 2023, at 18:32, rjmcmahon via Bloat wrote: The 6G is a contiguous 1200MhZ. It has low power indoor (LPI) and very low

Re: [Bloat] [Rpm] [Starlink] [LibreQoS] On FiWi

2023-03-15 Thread rjmcmahon via Bloat
My brother and I installed irrigation systems in Texas where it rains a lot. No problem with getting business. Digging trenches, laying & gluing PVC pipe, installing controller wires, etc is good, respectable work. I wonder if too many white-collar workers avoided blue-collar work and don't

Re: [Bloat] [Starlink] [LibreQoS] [Rpm] On FiWi

2023-03-15 Thread Sebastian Moeller via Bloat
Hi Bob, I like your design sketch and the ideas behind it. > On Mar 15, 2023, at 18:32, rjmcmahon via Bloat > wrote: > > The 6G is a contiguous 1200MhZ. It has low power indoor (LPI) and very low > power (VLP) modes. The pluggable transceiver could be color coded to a > chanspec, then the

Re: [Bloat] [Starlink] [LibreQoS] [Rpm] On FiWi

2023-03-15 Thread dan via Bloat
Trying to do all of what is currently wanted with 1 AP in a house is a huge part of the current problems with WiFi networks. MOAR power to try to overcome attenuation and reflections from walls so more power bleeds into the next home/suite/apartment etc. In the MSP space it's been rapidly moving

Re: [Bloat] [Starlink] [LibreQoS] [Rpm] On FiWi

2023-03-15 Thread rjmcmahon via Bloat
The 6G is a contiguous 1200MhZ. It has low power indoor (LPI) and very low power (VLP) modes. The pluggable transceiver could be color coded to a chanspec, then the four color map problem can be used by installers per those chanspecs. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Four_color_theorem There is

Re: [Bloat] [Rpm] [Starlink] [LibreQoS] On FiWi

2023-03-15 Thread Bruce Perens via Bloat
I think the big problem with this is users per domicile. It's easy enough to support one floor of a residence with a single AP. There is an upper limit on the bandwidth that one user can ever require. It is probably what is needed for full-sphere VR at the perceptual limit. We have long achieved

Re: [Bloat] [Rpm] [Starlink] [LibreQoS] On FiWi

2023-03-15 Thread Aaron Wood via Bloat
I like the general idea, especially if there was a site-wide controller module that can do the sort of frequency allocation that network engineers do in dense AP deployments today: adjacent APs run on different frequency bands so that they reduce the likelihood of stepping on each others