Re: [Bloat] [Cerowrt-devel] Fixing bufferbloat: How about an open letter to the web benchmarkers?

2014-09-12 Thread David P. Reed
I have a working ping-over-http mobile browser app at alt.reed.com. feel free to try it and look at the underlying packet stream with wireshark. I did a prototype of a RRUL test using Web sockets and a modified nginx websocket module as a server that could be commanded to generate precise tra

Re: [Bloat] [Cerowrt-devel] Fixing bufferbloat: How about an open letter to the web benchmarkers?

2014-09-12 Thread Rick Jones
On 09/11/2014 06:48 PM, Rich Brown wrote: Jonathan, Could we make use of the existing test servers (running netperf) for that demonstration? How hard is the protocol to fake in Javascript? Not having coded a stitch of this, I *think* it would require the following: - Web page on netperf-xx

Re: [Bloat] [Cerowrt-devel] Fixing bufferbloat: How about an open letter to the web benchmarkers?

2014-09-12 Thread Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
Dave Taht writes: > What if we could publish an open letter to the benchmark makers such > as speedtest, explaining how engineering for their test does *not* > make for a better internet? The press fallout from that letter, would > improve some user education, regardless if we could get the tests

Re: [Bloat] [Cerowrt-devel] Fixing bufferbloat: How about an open letter to the web benchmarkers?

2014-09-11 Thread Jonathan Morton
On 12 Sep, 2014, at 4:49 am, Joel Wirāmu Pauling wrote: > So if ookla implemented a udp based test, changed it's statical weighting and > data mining methods overnight. At least in NZ that might help. Isn't that the whole point of this discussion? - Jonathan Morton _

Re: [Bloat] [Cerowrt-devel] Fixing bufferbloat: How about an open letter to the web benchmarkers?

2014-09-11 Thread Rich Brown
Jonathan, > Could we make use of the existing test servers (running netperf) for that > demonstration? How hard is the protocol to fake in Javascript? Not having coded a stitch of this, I *think* it would require the following: - Web page on netperf-xxx.bufferbloat.net that served out the java

Re: [Bloat] [Cerowrt-devel] Fixing bufferbloat: How about an open letter to the web benchmarkers?

2014-09-11 Thread dpreed
The speedof.me API probably can be used directly as the measurement of download and upload - you can create a competing download or upload in Javascript using a WebWorker talking to another server that supports the websocket API to force buffer overflow. (sort of poor man's RRUL). The speedo

Re: [Bloat] [Cerowrt-devel] Fixing bufferbloat: How about an open letter to the web benchmarkers?

2014-09-11 Thread Jonathan Morton
On 12 Sep, 2014, at 3:35 am, dpr...@reed.com wrote: > Among friends of mine, we can publicize this widely. But those friends > probably would like to see how the measurement would work. Could we make use of the existing test servers (running netperf) for that demonstration? How hard is the p

Re: [Bloat] [Cerowrt-devel] Fixing bufferbloat: How about an open letter to the web benchmarkers?

2014-09-11 Thread dpreed
Among friends of mine, we can publicize this widely. But those friends probably would like to see how the measurement would work. On Thursday, September 11, 2014 8:13pm, "Rich Brown" said: > ___ > Cerowrt-devel mailing list > cerowrt-de...@lists

Re: [Bloat] [Cerowrt-devel] Fixing bufferbloat: How about an open letter to the web benchmarkers?

2014-09-11 Thread dpreed
I will sign. It would be better if we had an actual demonstration of how to implement a speedtest improvement. On Thursday, September 11, 2014 12:03pm, "Dave Taht" said: > The theme of networks being "engineered for speedtest" has been a > common thread in nearly every conversation I've

Re: [Bloat] [Cerowrt-devel] Fixing bufferbloat: How about an open letter to the web benchmarkers?

2014-09-11 Thread Maciej Soltysiak
On Thu, Sep 11, 2014 at 6:03 PM, Dave Taht wrote: > If Verizon can petition the FCC to change the definition of > broadband... why can't we petition speedtest to *change their test*? > Switching to merely reporting the 98th percentile results for ping > during an upload or download, instead of the