Re: [Boston.pm] Bottom Up

2005-03-01 Thread Greg London
Greg London said: > After that, I wrote "Impatient Perl" as an attempt to > create a teach-yourself-perl-in-N-days book. > It's about 130 pages long. Still an intro to perl, > but takes the student/reader all teh way to > object oriented programming and advanced regular > expressions. > > It's lic

Re: [Boston.pm] Bottom Up

2005-03-01 Thread Greg London
Sean Quinlan said: > OK. Please bear with me as I think while I type (brainstorm). How many > under-employed Perl Mongers do we have in the Boston area who would be > willing to semi-volunteer? > Suggestions? Would anyone be interested in participating in this? I did three in-house training cou

Re: [Boston.pm] Bottom Up

2005-03-01 Thread Sean Quinlan
So the very thought of certification causes many people to break out their industrial strength flame throwers. I wont pretend to get that, but it is obviously a fact. Given the wide, and strong, feelings about certification (and that my suggestion for reading prior art and discussing this at the ne

Re: [Boston.pm] Bottom Up

2005-03-01 Thread Greg London
John Saylor wrote: > > > > ( 05.03.01 14:21 -0500 ) Greg London: > > >> What if O'Reilley (or someone) set up a website that > > >> did free (or low cost) online certification? > > > John Saylor said: > > > what if you did that. > > ( 05.03.01 15:59 -0500 ) Greg London: > > brilliant. Rather tha

Re: [Boston.pm] Bottom Up

2005-03-01 Thread Sean Quinlan
Not discussing advocacy here. Really! Just some comments on CPAN. On Tue, 2005-03-01 at 15:16 -0500, Duane Bronson wrote: > My beef with CPAN is the fact that there is some administrative work > involved with writing a perl program that uses a CPAN module. After I > write it, I can't email it t

Re: [Boston.pm] Bottom Up

2005-03-01 Thread John Saylor
hi > > ( 05.03.01 14:21 -0500 ) Greg London: > >> What if O'Reilley (or someone) set up a website that > >> did free (or low cost) online certification? > John Saylor said: > > what if you did that. ( 05.03.01 15:59 -0500 ) Greg London: > brilliant. Rather than focus on the goal, > shift focus o

Re: [Boston.pm] Bottom Up

2005-03-01 Thread Greg London
John Saylor said: > hi > > ( 05.03.01 14:21 -0500 ) Greg London: >> What if O'Reilley (or someone) set up a website that >> did free (or low cost) online certification? > > what if you did that. brilliant. Rather than focus on the goal, shift focus on how impossible it appears to get there. never

Re: [Boston.pm] Bottom Up

2005-03-01 Thread John Saylor
hi ( 05.03.01 14:21 -0500 ) Greg London: > What if O'Reilley (or someone) set up a website that > did free (or low cost) online certification? what if you did that. > What it requires is a community spirit, > and a little bit of generousity from its > members to grant it the possibility of being

Re: [Boston.pm] Bottom Up

2005-03-01 Thread Duane Bronson
5. Clean up CPAN. The egalitarian nature of CPAN is commendable. However, quality and activity vary widely and redundancy is rampant. A Perhaps we should require people to hold certifications before they contribute code. You are right about CPAN. CPAN's hugeness and uneven quality is intimid

RE: [Boston.pm] Bottom Up

2005-03-01 Thread Greg London
What if O'Reilley (or someone) set up a website that did free (or low cost) online certification? Before a single nay-sayer jumps in and kills the idea, remember the question is not "HOW?" the question is "WHAT IF?" If the "what if?" gives a satisfactory result, the "how?" will simply follow. "

RE: [Boston.pm] Bottom Up

2005-03-01 Thread John Tsangaris
> >Can someone remind me why Perl needs to be more popular? What actual >problem will be solved? Are we running low on module developers? Running >low on core developers? Is the existing code-base evaporating? Are there >not enough t-shirt and book sales? How will we know when Perl is popula

RE: [Boston.pm] Bottom Up

2005-03-01 Thread John Redford
> From Bogart Salzberg > Sent: Monday, February 28, 2005 9:13 PM > Subject: [Boston.pm] Bottom Up > > The popularity of PHP, for example, was built from scratch on bottom-up > buzz. It had so little hope of ever being widely used that its creator > named it "Personal Home Pages". But it caught fi

Re: [Boston.pm] Bottom Up

2005-02-28 Thread Ben Tilly
On Mon, 28 Feb 2005 21:13:06 -0500, Bogart Salzberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > An (improved) argument for a bottom-up approach to boosting Perl... [ various stuff I mostly agree with snipped ] > 3. Make Perl CGI easier to use. The aid of "CGI::Carp > qw(fatalsToBrowser)" should be built-in and O