Re: Where are the European hypocrites?

Gautam Mukunda wrote: http://www.mclaughlinonline.com/newspoll/np2003/021803mideast.htm at least shows that Republicans are consistently more likely to favor Israel than Democrats, on every question in the poll, although it doesn't split it out by ideology. Not in every question: "Many world leade

RE: Where are the European hypocrites?

> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of Doug Pensinger > Sent: Saturday, June 14, 2003 1:44 AM > To: Killer Bs Discussion > Subject: Re: Where are the European hypocrites? > > Gautam Mukunda wrote: > > --- Jon Gabriel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > >>Which is approxima

RE: Where are the European hypocrites?

> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of John D. Giorgis > Sent: Saturday, June 14, 2003 1:27 AM > To: Killer Bs Discussion > Subject: Re: Where are the European hypocrites? > > At 01:34 PM 6/13/2003 -0700 Gautam Mukunda wrote: > >--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >> I read

Re: Where are the European hypocrites?

On Sat, Jun 14, 2003 at 01:08:02AM -0400, John D. Giorgis wrote: > At 01:48 PM 6/13/2003 EDT [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > >> What right did the UN have to tell Arabs how they would be > >> governed, or to take away their homes? > > > >The land was under UN jurisdiction, that's what right. > > More

Re: Where are the European hypocrites?

--- Doug Pensinger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Can you cite a reference on that? I know that there > is a liberal > contingent that is pro Palestinian (and a > conservative one that is > anti-Israel), but I think that Americans in general > are very supportive > of Israel. > > See: > > http:

Re: Where are the European hypocrites?

Gautam Mukunda wrote: --- Jon Gabriel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Which is approximately 50% of the world's population and the entire Jewish population of Israel. (Gautam may have known that, but I thought the 'irony' worth posting.) :( I did, which is why I chose the number. and most of them

Re: Question for Gautam, with possible thread following

--- Dan Minette <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > It appears that North Korea may now have crossed or > may be crossing the red > line we (and lotsa others) have discussed. Dr > Miller appears to be stating > concerns that are consistent with my own. > > Dan M. They're consistent with mine too, but I

Re: Where are the European hypocrites?

Gautam Mukunda wrote: If not for security concerns, yes, absolutely (I think). There's a small fringe of the Israeli population that wants to annex the West Bank and the Gaza Strip permanently, but they're a very small fringe. They're holding onto the areas right now for the very sensible reason

Re: Where are the European hypocrites?

At 01:34 PM 6/13/2003 -0700 Gautam Mukunda wrote: >--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >> I read Dan's statement from the perspective of >> native North >> Americans. Try that in your analogy. >> >> Dean > >I did. How many native Americans are alive in the US >today? If the number is higher than a few

Re: Scientific method: was Re: Twenty (or so) Questions, was Re:Plonkworthy?

Ronn!Blankenship wrote: At 10:00 PM 6/12/03 -0700, Doug Pensinger wrote: Jan Coffey wrote: *sigh* I know I must have made some syntactic mistake their myself but, hay, I'm just as human as Erik. Erik's Human? Huh. Doug 8^) Let Us Oft Speak Kind Words Text: Joseph L. Townsend M

Re: Question for Gautam, with possible thread following

- Original Message - From: "Gautam Mukunda" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Killer Bs Discussion" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Saturday, June 14, 2003 12:12 AM Subject: Re: Question for Gautam, with possible thread following > Dan, > Yes - I know him quite well, as amatter of fact. He's > a good

Re: general rambling

Kevin Tarr wrote: or bad things happening to good people. My condolences, Kevin, it sucks when you work hard and the people that are in a position to reward you are oblivious. I've had similar experiences. As for music, I recently copied over 200 CDs in my collection to a 40 gig external lapt

Re: Where are the European hypocrites?

--- Steve Sloan II <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Gautam Mukunda wrote: > > > OK, this is one of those irritating cliches that > > people keep repeating. How _did_ Europe "pay its > debt > > by giving the Jews somebody else's land." > > That was the impression I got from the last list > discuss

Re: Where are the European hypocrites?

At 11:06 AM 6/13/2003 -0500 Steve Sloan II wrote: >For both issues... it's too late. I wish early American >settlers hadn't done such horrible things to the native >Americans, but it's too late to change that. The best we >can do now is try to get the survivors integrated into >American society and

Re: Where are the European hypocrites?

At 01:36 PM 6/13/2003 EDT [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >One thing that needs to be kept in mind is that groups such as Hamas do not >object to the occupation - they object to Israel's very existence. Indeed, it is worth noting that Hamas reacted to an Israeli leader dismantling settlements (for the f

Re: Where are the European hypocrites?

At 03:06 PM 6/13/2003 EDT [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >I repeat my point, that the Palestinians have been utterly betrayed at every >moment in their sorry history by those who claim to speak for them. If only >they would realize this and make true peace. They could have a state tomorrow if >they wo

Re: Where are the European hypocrites?

At 01:48 PM 6/13/2003 EDT [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >> What right did the UN have to tell Arabs how they would be governed, or >> to take away their homes? >> > >The land was under UN jurisdiction, that's what right. More importantly, WHO CARES? When it comes to discussing the situation in Israel

Native American Rights RE: Where are the European hypocrites?

At 07:49 AM 6/13/2003 -0400 Jon Gabriel wrote: >> Yeah, but there have been Jews in that area since >> before recorded history and they made up a very large >> proportion of the population before the Israeli War of >> Independence. > >You know, I do sympathize with this point of view, but by those

Re: Question for Gautam, with possible thread following

Dan, Yes - I know him quite well, as amatter of fact. He's a good guy. Why? Gautam --- Dan Minette <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Gautam, do you know Steven Miller at the Harvard > School of Government well > enough to have an opinion of him? > > Dan M. > > > __

Re: WMD

Gautam Mukunda wrote: --- Doug Pensinger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: But I would say almost the same thing about you when someone is critical of Bush or the U.S. Doug But, Doug, if you read my posts with any degree of attention, you'd be wrong. I have variously criticized Bush Administration p

RE: Are you a model citizen?

--- "Horn, John" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > From: Adam C. Lipscomb > > > > Great idea! I've got a Secret Volcano Lair, can > you bring the > > Plutonium and the Deadly Bikini-clad Vixens? > > Julia! Kat! Dee! Let's see who else do we have... > Deborah! I'm not the bikini type, but I mig

Re: Fw: [Seebergers] Stella Awards

On Fri, Jun 13, 2003 at 09:38:48PM -0500, Julia Thompson wrote: > 2) This one has been demonstrated false. I don't have a url handy, > maybe there's something on snopes.com, but I believe that this http://www.snopes.com/legal/lawsuits.asp -- "Erik Reuter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://www.

Re: Is it a crime to urge another to commit suicide?

Jan Coffey wrote: ... > Canceling someone can have a serious effect on them, it is a form of > emotional violence. It's a kind of death. On no list I have been on has > anyone ever been successfuly canceled. A very very small number go off, > concider what they did, deeply regret it, wonder back ar

RE: [Seebergers] Stella Awards

> From: Robert Seeberger [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > It's time once again to consider the candidates for the 2003 Stella > Awards. The 2003 Stella award candidates look remarkably like the 2002 award candidates. And the 2001 candidates, and the 2000 candidates... - jmh __

Question for Gautam, with possible thread following

Gautam, do you know Steven Miller at the Harvard School of Government well enough to have an opinion of him? Dan M. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l

Re: Fw: [Seebergers] Stella Awards

Robert Seeberger wrote: > > - Original Message - > From: "Seeberger, Mark" > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Friday, June 13, 2003 4:27 PM > Subject: [Seebergers] Stella Awards > > It's time once again to consider the candidates for the 2003 Stella > Awards. The Stella's are named after 8

Re: Where are the European hypocrites?

Gautam Mukunda wrote: > OK, this is one of those irritating cliches that > people keep repeating. How _did_ Europe "pay its debt > by giving the Jews somebody else's land." That was the impression I got from the last list discussion about this. It was probably a false impression. In that message,

Fw: [Seebergers] Stella Awards

- Original Message - From: "Seeberger, Mark" To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, June 13, 2003 4:27 PM Subject: [Seebergers] Stella Awards It's time once again to consider the candidates for the 2003 Stella Awards. The Stella's are named after 81-year-old Stella Liebeck who spilled c

SCOUTED: Newly discovered nearby star

Closer than Sirius? <> <> <> -- Ronn! :) God bless America, Land that I love! Stand beside her, and guide her Thru the night with

Re: Where are the European hypocrites?

At 05:52 PM 6/13/03 -0400, Erik Reuter wrote: (have you ever watched daytime television in America? I've had a bad cold for going on 48 hours now and I've been watching -- there are an amazing number of out of touch people on these talk shows) If by "talk shows" you are referring to the Jerry Spr

RE: Is it a crime to urge another to commit suicide?

--- Chad Cooper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Julia Thompson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Friday, June 13, 2003 12:43 PM > > To: Killer Bs Discussion > > Subject: Re: Is it a crime to urge another to commit suicide? > > > > > > Nick Arnett wrote

Re: Headers, was Re: Powers of 10 - Java Applet

On Fri, Jun 13, 2003 at 06:47:21PM -0400, David Hobby wrote: > Not that I can read headers, but how about alphabetical order in > Spammer-J's list? I think you got it, David. [EMAIL PROTECTED] must be first on that spam list, and smtp06.freeler.nl may be incorrectly displaying the first ema

Headers, was Re: Powers of 10 - Java Applet

Erik Reuter wrote: > > On Fri, Jun 13, 2003 at 07:18:27PM +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > In > > > > http://micro.magnet.fsu.edu/primer/java/scienceopticsu/powersof10/ > > > > you can find a very nice demonstration of zooming from the galaxy view down > > to the quarks. > > > > Regards > > Arm

Spam?: Powers of 10 - Java Applet

Hmm ... I do read some of the messages, I posted a few myself but I cannot understand (or explain) why my address does appear in these "spams". But it may be a coincidence that in the last weeks I seem to have been a victim of some "Joe job" - I got a number of bounces of undeliverable spam-mail wi

A new twist on the "stone soup" story

This is from another list I'm on, which has been wrestling with the whole "what is on-topic and what is off-topic" thing (and I'm not sure if that's an improvement over the megaphone discussion of 2 weeks ago or not). You may recognize elements of net-specific things. :) Julia There wa

Re: Code and documentation (was Re: Scientific method)

--- Richard Baker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Jan said: > > > Then of course the same people were the ones making "convincing sells" > > to the VCs and getting funding for solving NP complete problems with a > > Turing machine in 6 months. > > What kind of .com business plan is that?! It has *o

Re: Are you a model citizen?

From: Julia Thompson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Killer Bs Discussion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: Are you a model citizen? Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 16:36:40 -0500 Jon Gabriel wrote: > > >From: Julia Thompson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Reply-To: Killer B

Re: Where are the European hypocrites?

--- Erik Reuter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > But I regularly read The Economist, and I don't see > much obvious > distortion there. I don't listen to BBC radio, but I > do read BBC news > articles about world events. I haven't seen any > obvious distortion in > the top news stories on the BBC websi

Re: Code and documentation (was Re: Scientific method)

Jan said: > Then of course the same people were the ones making "convincing sells" > to the VCs and getting funding for solving NP complete problems with a > Turing machine in 6 months. What kind of .com business plan is that?! It has *obvious* revenue streams when the product is complete - they

RE: Code and documentation (was Re: Scientific method)

> From: Julia Thompson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Richard Baker wrote: > > > People move on. What's the mean time spent in a job in the software > > industry: two or three years? > > In the mid-1990s in graphics, it was 18 months. At least, that's what > someone at my husband's company deter

Re: Where are the European hypocrites?

On Fri, Jun 13, 2003 at 02:16:13PM -0700, Gautam Mukunda wrote: > Which I don't necessarily disagree with - but it also doesn't _begin_ > to explain the insanity of asking if Americans are being arrested for > criticizing Bush. It does sound rather out of touch. As much as I dislike Bush's polici

Re: Twenty (or so) Questions, was Re: Plonkworthy?

On Fri, Jun 13, 2003 at 04:36:24PM -0500, Julia Thompson wrote: > Erik Reuter wrote: > > > On Thu, Jun 12, 2003 at 01:25:17PM -0700, Jan Coffey wrote: > > > > > --- Erik Reuter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > On Wed, Jun 11, 2003 at 10:55:07PM -0700, Jan Coffey wrote: > > > > > > > > > It

RE: Is it a crime to urge another to commit suicide?

> -Original Message- > From: Julia Thompson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Friday, June 13, 2003 12:43 PM > To: Killer Bs Discussion > Subject: Re: Is it a crime to urge another to commit suicide? > > > Nick Arnett wrote: > > > > Does anyone happen to know if -- and where -- it is a

Re: Are you a model citizen?

Jon Gabriel wrote: > > >From: Julia Thompson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >To: Killer Bs Discussion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Subject: Re: Are you a model citizen? > >Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 14:40:47 -0500 > > > >"Horn, John" wrote: > > > > > > - jmh > >

Re: Twenty (or so) Questions, was Re: Plonkworthy?

Erik Reuter wrote: > > On Thu, Jun 12, 2003 at 01:25:17PM -0700, Jan Coffey wrote: > > > > --- Erik Reuter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Wed, Jun 11, 2003 at 10:55:07PM -0700, Jan Coffey wrote: > > > > > > > It is important however not to neglect the benefit of intuition. Using > > > > anecd

Re: Where are the European hypocrites?

On 13 Jun 2003 at 11:06, Steve Sloan II wrote: > Jon Gabriel wrote: > > > You know, I do sympathize with this point of view, but > > by those standards, the United States belongs to Native > > Americans, doesn't it? > > > (or do you feel perhaps that because they lost the > > war(s),

Re: Code and documentation (was Re: Scientific method)

--- Julia Thompson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Richard Baker wrote: > > > People move on. What's the mean time spent in a job in the software > > industry: two or three years? > > In the mid-1990s in graphics, it was 18 months. At least, that's what > someone at my husband's company determined

Re: Where are the European hypocrites?

In a message dated 6/13/03 4:34:58 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > I did.  How many native Americans are alive in the US > today?  If the number is higher than a few hundred, > then that's higher than the number of Jews there are > currently living in, oh, every Arab country put > together.  I r

Re: Where are the European hypocrites?

> I suppose because the leaders of those countries were still trying to > bring about Israel's destruction, and the Palestinan refugee situation > seemed to them to help their cause. > That's hardly a defense, as I'm sure you're aware. "We're going to let you suffer indefinitely and ruin countles

Re: Where are the European hypocrites?

--- Erik Reuter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I think she blames a fair amount of the distorted > view that many > Europeans have for America on Bush's arrogance and > poor diplomacy: Which I don't necessarily disagree with - but it also doesn't _begin_ to explain the insanity of asking if American

Re: Scientific method: was Re: Twenty (or so) Questions, wasRe:Plonkworthy?

--- Julia Thompson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Jan Coffey wrote: > > > So Rich, don't blame a lack of documentation for poorly factored code. > > Instead of "If these idiots would just have documented...", think "If > these > > idiots would just have written Unit Tests or Contracts, written clear

Re: Where are the European hypocrites?

On Fri, Jun 13, 2003 at 01:27:55PM -0700, Gautam Mukunda wrote: > --- Richard Baker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > In your opinion, are the European media more biased than the US > > media? In my opinion, the British media, at least, are considerably > > more balanced than those US news channel

Re: Twenty (or so) Questions, was Re: Plonkworthy?

On 12 Jun 2003 at 21:07, Julia Thompson wrote: > Andrew Crystall wrote: > > > Certainly, but that applies to biology and we don't really KNOW how > > random much of the formation of the Universe was. And I'd point out > > that what "reproductive fitness" is can be complex (for example, why > > th

Re: Where are the European hypocrites?

--- Gautam Mukunda <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > My pleasure. I daresay I made at least a couple of > mistakes, though - it's been at least a couple of > years since I looked at the issue in detail. I > imagine that someone here will correct me if I did. In fact, I caught one myself. Substitute

Re: Where are the European hypocrites?

--- Erik Reuter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Thanks for the summary, Gautam. That was exactly the > sort of thing I > was looking for. I imagine it would have taken me > weeks or more to > obtain that information by my own research. And > _Supreme Command_ sounds > interesting, I'll add it to my "t

scouted: free speach intimidated to death

While I may not personaly have any use for such substances, and I am split on the efectiveness of the laws in question, I still take issue with such laws as the RAVE act that can be used to intimidate parties from practicing free speech. Even as what most refer to as a concervative I find this ver

Re: Are you a model citizen?

From: Julia Thompson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Killer Bs Discussion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: Are you a model citizen? Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 14:40:47 -0500 "Horn, John" wrote: > > > From: Adam C. Lipscomb [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Gre

Re: Where are the European hypocrites?

Thanks for the summary, Gautam. That was exactly the sort of thing I was looking for. I imagine it would have taken me weeks or more to obtain that information by my own research. And _Supreme Command_ sounds interesting, I'll add it to my "to read" list. -- "Erik Reuter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Re: [L3] Communication (was Re: media stratagy meetings)

Trying out some automatic spell checking so if I frell(sp?) any of the previous post, my apologies. --- Jan Coffey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >> Essentially we seem to agree on the facts and how >> things have played out. What >> we disagree on was the appropriateness of the actions >> that w

Palestinian Refugees (a site for reference)

Erik, This is an Israeli site, but it does appear to explain the situation in objective terms and give the reasoning for both sides. I thought it would be helpful since you seem to be asking Tom a lot of questions that this site can answer. http://www.mideastweb.org/refugees1.htm Map here: h

RE: Where are the European hypocrites?

--- Jon Gabriel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Yeah, but there have been Jews in that area since > > before recorded history and they made up a very > large > > proportion of the population before the Israeli > War of > > Independence. > > You know, I do sympathize with this point of view, > but b

Re: Where are the European hypocrites?

--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > I read Dan's statement from the perspective of > native North > Americans. Try that in your analogy. > > Dean I did. How many native Americans are alive in the US today? If the number is higher than a few hundred, then that's higher than the number of Jews there a

RE: Where are the European hypocrites?

--- Jon Gabriel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Which is approximately 50% of the world's population > and the entire > Jewish population of Israel. (Gautam may have known > that, but I thought > the 'irony' worth posting.) :( I did, which is why I chose the number. > > and most of them are conserv

Re: Where are the European hypocrites?

--- Richard Baker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > In your opinion, are the European media more biased > than the US media? > In my opinion, the British media, at least, are > considerably more > balanced than those US news channels I see (CNN, > Fox). I can't speak > for newspapers though - I just rea

Re: Where are the European hypocrites?

--- Erik Reuter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Fri, Jun 13, 2003 at 11:06:24AM -0500, Steve > Sloan II wrote: > > I was wondering if you could give a capsule summary > of that transfer. > I don't know much about it, but I have wondered how > it occurred. Most > importantly I'd like to know exactl

Re: Where are the European hypocrites?

On Fri, Jun 13, 2003 at 01:04:50PM -0700, Gautam Mukunda wrote: > local population fought a war of independence. In many ways it wasn't > that different from us in 1776 - except, of course, that the British > didn't intend to kill every American colonist, as the Arabs _did_ and > _do_. Israel do

Re: Code and documentation (was Re: Scientific method)

Richard Baker wrote: > People move on. What's the mean time spent in a job in the software > industry: two or three years? In the mid-1990s in graphics, it was 18 months. At least, that's what someone at my husband's company determined when they were trying to figure out how to persuade people t

Re: Where are the European hypocrites?

On Fri, Jun 13, 2003 at 03:08:06PM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > In a message dated 6/13/03 2:16:38 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > > Why, specifically, could they not go to Israel in, say, late 1949 or > > 1950? Were they forcibly prevented? By whom? > > By that point, I think, the Israelis

Re: Where are the European hypocrites?

--- Steve Sloan II <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The same goes for Israel. Shortly after WWII, the > least > unfair solution probably would have been taking a > good-sized chunk of land from Germany to form a > Jewish > homeland, while negotiating with the Middle East > world to > get them visitatio

Re: Where are the European hypocrites?

On Fri, Jun 13, 2003 at 03:06:24PM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > I don't understand. That makes two of us. But I wasn't interested in a rationalization of bad behavior, which is what I thought I was getting. I said it seemed unfair. You seemed to disagree and gave examples of similar poor beh

Re: Scientific method: was Re: Twenty (or so) Questions, was Re:Plonkworthy?

Jan Coffey wrote: > So Rich, don't blame a lack of documentation for poorly factored code. > Instead of "If these idiots would just have documented...", think "If these > idiots would just have writen Unit Tests or Contracts, written clear code > with short methods and discriptive naming, used cod

Re: Twenty (or so) Questions, was Re: Plonkworthy?

Gautam said: > Not sure if thalassemia is a European term for sickle > cell anemia, which has the same effects. No, they aren't the same thing. I chose thalassemia for my example because it's less well known than sickle cell anaemia. Rich ___ http://ww

Re: general rambling

Kevin Tarr wrote: > *Anyone have digital cable? The selections for me are too general. You > listen to 80s music channel, you get some good songs, some you say 'wow I > haven't thought about that song in a long time', but you also get a lot of > 'please shut it off, I never want to hear that song

Re: Are you a model citizen?

Kevin Tarr wrote: > Of course grey hairs are creeping in. Is this what life is all about? Seems so. Well, I don't know as you could really call mine *grey*, but there are more and more white ones creeping in. I expect that when I'm 60, it'll be totally white, and I'll still run around with it d

Re: Twenty (or so) Questions, was Re: Plonkworthy?

--- Richard Baker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Julia said: > > > OK, why *did* it survive? Do you know? > > I don't know about cystic fibrosis in detail, but > it's presumably > because having one copy of the gene conveys some > advantage that > outweighs the problems involved with having two > c

Re: WMD

--- Doug Pensinger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > But I would say almost the same thing about you when > someone is critical > of Bush or the U.S. > > Doug But, Doug, if you read my posts with any degree of attention, you'd be wrong. I have variously criticized Bush Administration policies on a f

Re: Where are the European hypocrites?

--- Doug Pensinger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Would the Israelis be willing to give up all of > their West Bank > settlements at this point? > > Doug If not for security concerns, yes, absolutely (I think). There's a small fringe of the Israeli population that wants to annex the West Bank and

Re: Is it a crime to urge another to commit suicide?

Nick Arnett wrote: > > Does anyone happen to know if -- and where -- it is against the law to urge > another person to commit suicide? > > Nick Well, my mom has been out of touch with the suicide prevention group she volunteered for when she lived in New Hampshire, and isn't really up on laws, b

Re: Where are the European hypocrites?

--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Well, most American Jews care quite a lot about > Israel, and most of us are > not conservative (some of us are Conservative, but > that's whole different row of > pews...) > > > > Tom Beck Yeah, but if you worked out the percentages, it will still be most. I d

Re: Are you a model citizen?

"Horn, John" wrote: > > > From: Adam C. Lipscomb [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Great idea! I've got a Secret Volcano Lair, can you bring the > > Plutonium and the Deadly Bikini-clad Vixens? > > Julia! Kat! Dee! Let's see who else do we have... Deborah! > > Oh man, I know I'm missing som

Re: Where are the European hypocrites?

In a message dated 6/13/03 2:16:38 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > Why, specifically, could they not go to Israel in, say, late 1949 or > 1950? Were they forcibly prevented? By whom? > By that point, I think, the Israelis wouldn't let them back (neither would the Arab countries). And before y

Re: Where are the European hypocrites?

> > It's kind of late to worry about that now. > > I have trouble reconciling that statement with someone who has an > interest in understanding history. > > > Come one, how many subjugated peoples in the entirety of world        > > history got to vote on who ruled them? They had never "voted" t

Re: Hoon soccer FOOTBALL game

In a message dated 6/13/2003 10:28:45 AM US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > Is there a name for a shot where the ball is cradled on the ankles and both > > legs are lifted and snapped in a whip-like motion? > > > > Yeah: Falling On Your Ass. It's vaguely similar to th

Re: Where are the European hypocrites?

On Fri, Jun 13, 2003 at 02:10:44PM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > In a message dated 6/13/03 2:04:08 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > > So, are you saying that the Arab states in the region were actually > > holding the Palestinians prisoner in the refugee camps, forcibly > > preventing them f

Re: Where are the European hypocrites?

On Fri, Jun 13, 2003 at 02:08:53PM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > It's kind of late to worry about that now. I have trouble reconciling that statement with someone who has an interest in understanding history. > Come one, how many subjugated peoples in the entirety of world > history

Re: Where are the European hypocrites?

In a message dated 6/13/03 2:04:08 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > So, are you saying that the Arab states in the region were actually > holding the Palestinians prisoner in the refugee camps, forcibly > preventing them from returning to their homes? > More or less. They couldn't go to Isra

Re: Where are the European hypocrites?

> > > What right did the UN have to tell Arabs how they would be governed, > > > or to take away their homes? > > > > The land was under UN jurisdiction, that's what right. > > That doesn't sound fair to me, unless the residents of the land voted to > put it under UN jurisdiction. > It's kind o

Re: Where are the European hypocrites?

> I'm unsure this solution would have satisfied the Jews of that time.  For > hundreds of years, they had prayed that Jerusalem would be returned to them. >   I'm unsure 'visiting rights' would have satisfied them. > Um...try "for two thousand years"... Tom Beck www.prydonians.org www.mercerj

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From: "Bryon Daly" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: general rambling Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 13:28:33 -0400 From: Kevin Tarr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ... but I like hearing music I don't own. ... Try : http://www.limewire.com/ http

Re: Where are the European hypocrites?

On Fri, Jun 13, 2003 at 01:47:24PM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > In a message dated 6/13/03 1:39:41 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > > If that is a fair assessment, then I have another question. Were any > > (or most) of the refugees able/permitted to return to their homes a > > year or so la

Re: Where are the European hypocrites?

On Fri, Jun 13, 2003 at 01:48:08PM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > In a message dated 6/13/03 1:46:35 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > > > What right did the UN have to tell Arabs how they would be governed, > > or to take away their homes? > > The land was under UN jurisdiction, that's what ri

RE: WHO THE F*CK...

From: Ronn!Blankenship <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Killer Bs Discussion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,'Killer Bs Discussion' <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: RE: WHO THE F*CK... Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 12:03:21 -0500 At 09:43 AM 6/13/03 -0500, Horn, John wrote: > F

Re: Where are the European hypocrites?

From: Steve Sloan II <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Killer Bs Discussion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: Where are the European hypocrites? Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 11:06:24 -0500 Jon Gabriel wrote: > You know, I do sympathize with this point of view, but

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On Fri, Jun 13, 2003 at 07:18:27PM +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > In > > http://micro.magnet.fsu.edu/primer/java/scienceopticsu/powersof10/ > > you can find a very nice demonstration of zooming from the galaxy view down > to the quarks. > > Regards > Armin Freiberg Below are the complete he

Re: Where are the European hypocrites?

In a message dated 6/13/03 1:46:35 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > What right did the UN have to tell Arabs how they would be governed, or > to take away their homes? > The land was under UN jurisdiction, that's what right. Tom Beck www.prydonians.org www.mercerjewishsingles.org "I always

Re: Where are the European hypocrites?

In a message dated 6/13/03 1:39:41 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > If that is a fair assessment, then I have another question. Were any > (or most) of the refugees able/permitted to return to their homes a > year or so later, when their fear and uncertainty had subsided? If they > were not permi

Re: Where are the European hypocrites?

On Fri, Jun 13, 2003 at 01:39:33PM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > You're ignoring the Balfour Declaration and the fact that there was > a nascent Israel in Palestine - 1948 didn't just happen out of thin > air. You're also ignoring the fact that the UN declared a partition in > 1947, but the Ar

Re: Where are the European hypocrites?

> The same goes for Israel. Shortly after WWII, the least > unfair solution probably would have been taking a > good-sized chunk of land from Germany to form a Jewish > homeland, while negotiating with the Middle East world to > get them visitation rights to their holy sites. Instead, > Europe deci

Re: Where are the European hypocrites?

Thanks, Dan. On Fri, Jun 13, 2003 at 12:19:09PM -0500, Dan Minette wrote: > From what I've seen from many sources, after the war was won by > Israel, the Arab countries urged the Arabs in Israel to leave so that > they may destroy Israel with impunity. Most left, but some stayed. > The ones that

Re: Where are the European hypocrites?

> >Would the Israelis be willing to give up all of their West Bank > >settlements at this point? > > > > If they did, would all of the Palestinians then quit calling for the > annihilation of all Jews?  Would they give up their attempts to claim > Jerusalem? > One thing that needs to be kept i

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