Plan 3 From Outer Space: The Bush Budget Switch

http://www.spacedaily.com/news/nasa-04c.html There is a lot to like in President Bush's new space initiative. Most of the technical and programmatic changes to the current hopeless NASA plan are steps that various critics have been suggesting for some time: early phase-out of Shuttle, dumping the

Re: Announcing brin-l-books

On 15 Jan 2004, at 6:29 am, Doug Pensinger wrote: On Wed, 14 Jan 2004 22:40:22 +, William T Goodall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Following several months of development by me and lots of testing by the members of the Wednesday chat brin-l-books is probably ready for you all to try :) http:/

Re: The GOP Problem With Women

At 10:21 PM 1/14/2004 -0600 Dan Minette wrote: >> At 06:54 PM 1/14/2004 -0800 Nick Arnett wrote: >> >That makes sense. To what extent do you regard conservatives, as a >> >generalization, as male-dominated? >> >> In all honesty none. >> >> I can say with a clear conscience that I have never ever m

Re: Double Standards on Regional Bigotry

At 11:40 PM 1/14/2004 -0600 Dan Minette wrote: >Because Republicans favor tax and spending policies that favor focusing >wealth in the "entrepreneur class" because "they are the ones that give >jobs to the rest of us." That's funny, because I seem to recall George H. W. Bush raising taxes on the r

Re: how CAPPS II works

--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Kevin Tarr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > At 04:19 PM 1/14/2004, you wrote: > >This is the scariest thing ever. > > > >Get ready to be extorted! > > > >You want to fly, you have to pay $250 for your Cendant security > >records so that you can find out why your rating comes u

Some brin-l-books stats

So far 17 users have cast 819 votes. Here is the first 'top ten' of SF titles (only including those which received 3 or more votes).[1] Foundation and Empire Isaac Asimov =1 HyperionDan Simmons =1 The Left Hand of Darkness Ursula KLe Guin =1 A Fire upon the Deep

RE: Davidbrin.com blocked by WebSense

At 02:11 PM 1/11/04, Lalith Vipulananthan wrote: Bryon wrote: > That's happened to me a few times recently as well. Just > today I got one from "Tricia Blankenship". I got one from "Tricia Blankenship" as well. Lal GSV Spam Hell I just got one (the same ad for p enlargement which I get at

Easterbrook on Bush's NASA plan

When I first read Bush's proposal, one of the first things that struck me was that it seems to be far too little new money, and far too little time, to accomplish the goals he set out in his proposed time frame. Nasa's new "fast and cheap" development philosphy probably won't be acceptable for

Re: Shrub + IGC Imposes Islamic Laws in Iraq - Mass Demonstrations against Islamization

> From: Damon Agretto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > No mention of this on Al-jazeera. If anyone would > report on it they would (they're very good at > upplaying stories of dissent and de-emphasizing other > less "negative" stories...)... >From Brad Delong: <

News you won't See in the Corporate Media

<> At the demonstration in Ferdus Square women stood behind banners that read: "No to discrimination between men and women in the new Iraq," and "We reject decision 137 (of the Governing Cou

Re: Double Standards on Regional Bigotry

- Original Message - From: "Gautam Mukunda" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Killer Bs Discussion" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2004 11:55 PM Subject: Re: Double Standards on Regional Bigotry > --- Dan Minette <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I'm not saying that Bush is a raci

Re: Double Standards on Regional Bigotry

--- Dan Minette <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I see no indication that Republicans are abandoning > Nixon's Southern > strategy. It doesn't make sense. From an economic > standpoint, lower middle > class whites belong in the Democratic camp. > Republicans can get them by > appealing to their nervo

Re: Double Standards on Regional Bigotry

> From: John D. Giorgis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Of course, I forgot, that I am an economist, and since economics isn't a > science I won't be convinced by data. Supply-side economics is like the economists version of young-earth creationism. Keynesian Economic theories WORK, plain and simple. V

Re: Easterbrook on Bush's NASA plan

At 04:08 PM 1/15/04, Bryon Daly wrote: When I first read Bush's proposal, one of the first things that struck me was that it seems to be far too little new money, and far too little time, It took only 8 years from JFK's speech until Apollo 11, and JFK's speech happened less than four years afte

Re: Double Standards on Regional Bigotry

At 05:22 PM 1/15/04, The Fool wrote: There is more wisdom and insight in 1 Brad Delong Post than any fifty of the best JDG posts. But Brin-Lers already knew that. Ad hominem. Ad nauseum. -- Ronn! :) The contents of this message © 2004 by the author. All rights reserved. Any reproductio

Re: Double Standards on Regional Bigotry

From: Ronn!Blankenship <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> At 05:22 PM 1/15/04, The Fool wrote: >There is more wisdom and insight in 1 Brad Delong Post than any fifty of >the best JDG posts. But Brin-Lers already knew that. Ad hominem. Ad nauseum. Hyperbole. _

Re: Easterbrook on Bush's NASA plan

On Thursday 2004-01-15 15:08, Bryon Daly wrote: > So far all money numbers announced for the Bush plan seem complete > nonsense, if not outright dishonesty. We shouldn't expect George W. Bush > himself to know that $12 billion is not enough to develop a spaceship. We > should expect the people arou

Martian Emotion (was Easterbrook on Bush's NASA plan)

On Thursday 2004-01-15 16:28, Ronn!Blankenship wrote: > >spaceship is the Crew Exploration Vehicle? How inspiring! > > Less inspiring than, frex, "Lunar Module"? > > > The name doesn't even make sense. > > Who cares? > > >Will the task of the vehicle be to explore the crew? > > No. Its task will

Re: Easterbrook on Bush's NASA plan

- Original Message - From: "Trent Shipley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Killer Bs Discussion" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2004 6:05 PM Subject: Re: Easterbrook on Bush's NASA plan > On Thursday 2004-01-15 15:08, Bryon Daly wrote: > > So far all money numbers announced fo

Re: Tg Territories

Trent Shipley wrote: > > I come up with 10 major Terragen colonies. The problem is that Galactics > wouldn't count Mars or Venus as proper leaseholds, so I get 8 leases. > You mean: Earth (homeworld), Mars, Venus (crap) [what about the Moon?], and the 8 colonies: Deemi, Dezni, Horst, Omnivarium, C

the Right-Wing solution to illegal immigration: Forced Sterilization

Before opening the borders, seal up the wombs! <> What is the dirty little secret that the Bush administration doesn't tell you about its proposed "temporary" guest-worker program? These workers will come here in the prime of life and, while

Re: Martian Emotion (was Easterbrook on Bush's NASA plan)

- Original Message - From: "Trent Shipley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Killer Bs Discussion" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2004 6:32 PM Subject: Martian Emotion (was Easterbrook on Bush's NASA plan) > In brute, lowest common denominatior terms what is in this gold-plated

Re: Easterbrook on Bush's NASA plan

From: Ronn!Blankenship <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> At 04:08 PM 1/15/04, Bryon Daly wrote: When I first read Bush's proposal, one of the first things that struck me was that it seems to be far too little new money, and far too little time, It took only 8 years from JFK's speech until Apollo 11, and JFK's s

A Girl with an X-ray vision

http://english.pravda.ru/science/19/94/377/11797_phenomenon.html Moscow's medical workers discovered a magnificent gift of a sixteen-year-old girl Natalya Demkina from Saransk. The girl possesses "dual vision". She is capable of discerning a person's internal organs without using X-ray or ultrasou

Bush's New Space Plan Excites Russia

http://www.space.com/news/russia_bush_040115.html U.S. President George W. Bush's new plan to send men to the moon, Mars and beyond excited Russian space officials and designers, who voiced quick hopes Thursday for winning a lucrative share in the U.S. program and boosting the sagging status of Ru

ESA Officials Applaud Bush Exploration Plan

http://www.space.com/news/esa_bush_040115.html European government space authorities applauded U.S. President George W. Bush's space exploration announcement, saying the Bush plan is a badly needed roadmap for how manned space flight proceeds after the international space station. A long-scheduled

Re: Does this pass the smell test?

In a message dated 1/13/2004 11:17:20 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > have seen no specific allegations of The White House > failing to fully > cooperate with the Plame inquiry. > > Tom, vengence doesn't suit you. But they sure did not jump to investigate the leak when N

Re: Does this pass the smell test?

In a message dated 1/13/2004 11:17:20 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > have seen no specific allegations of The White House > failing to fully > cooperate with the Plame inquiry. > > Tom, vengence doesn't suit you. But they sure did not jump to investigate the leak when N

Cracks show through Shrubs Tax Facade

<> ... By a whopping ratio of 60 percent to 21 percent, Americans say they would prefer to reduce the deficit by "canceling some recent tax cuts" - the course advocated to some degree by all the Democratic presidential contenders - rathe

Re: A Girl with an X-ray vision

Bah! I would much rather have 8 inch steel alloy claws that pop out of my hands and rapid healing. Damon, now THAT would be cool... :P = Damon Agretto [EMAIL PROTECTED] "Qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum." http://www.geocities.c

Re: Double Standards on Regional Bigotry

In a message dated 1/15/2004 12:40:01 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > I guess that they are relevant if you really truly believe that Al Gore > > invented the Internet, > > Actually, do you really believe he claimed that? I do > believe that he was > part of the inspirat

Re: Double Standards on Regional Bigotry

In a message dated 1/15/2004 12:40:01 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > I guess that they are relevant if you really truly believe that Al Gore > > invented the Internet, > > Actually, do you really believe he claimed that? I do > believe that he was > part of the inspirat

Odds of getting to the Moon and Mars

Want the Odds? Put your money where your mouth is.. Bookies offer heavy odds against Mars landing Thu Jan 15, 9:55 AM ET LONDON (Reuters) - If U.S. President George W. Bush (news - web sites) is serious about sending a man to Mars, he can put his money where his mouth is and win a fortune.

Re: Double Standards on Regional Bigotry

> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > In a message dated 1/15/2004 12:40:01 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > > I guess that they are relevant if you really truly believe that Al Gore > > > invented the Internet, > > > > Actually, do you really believe he claimed that? I do > >

Re: Tg Territories

On Thursday 2004-01-15 12:51, Alberto Monteiro wrote: > Trent Shipley wrote: > > I come up with 10 major Terragen colonies. The problem is that Galactics > > wouldn't count Mars or Venus as proper leaseholds, so I get 8 leases. > > You mean: Earth (homeworld), Mars, Venus (crap) [what about the Mo

Re: Double Standards on Regional Bigotry

At 05:22 PM 1/15/2004 -0600 The Fool wrote: >> From: John D. Giorgis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> >> Of course, I forgot, that I am an economist, and since economics isn't >a >> science I won't be convinced by data. > >Supply-side economics is like the economists version of young-earth >creationism. Ke

RE: Martian Emotion (was Easterbrook on Bush's NASA plan)

> > > > _That's_ what's inspiring about it. > > Who cares if its inspiring? > > Look I was raised to be a liberal. > > I feel that we should fund medicaide and take care of poor > sick folk. (Heck, > I am poor with chronic illnesses and would *benefit* from socialized > medicine.) > > I fe

Re: J.D. Goes Hard on Conservatives

At 10:25 PM 1/12/2004 -0500 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >>Very interesting John, seriously. Thoughtful. Does your dad disagree >>with you on these topics? I don't want to assign viewpoints to my Dad without him hear to defend himself, but I would say that he probably agrees with me on somewhere aro

Lies, Deception and Secretiveness (was The GOP Problem With Women)

John wrote: JDG - And did I mention that apparently I support lying to and deceiving the American public too? I'm sorry that you took my comments personally. I do not believe that you support the dishonest policies of the Bush administration; I know that you do not believe that they are being d

Re: Tg Territories

Trent Shipley wrote: > >> You mean: Earth (homeworld), Mars, Venus (crap) [what about the Moon?], >> and the 8 colonies: Deemi, Dezni, Horst, Omnivarium, Calafia, >> Atlast, and NuDawn? Oops, I counted _seven_, you missed Garth. > > [Yes, the Moon counts as a major colony. But I didn't count it he

Re: Double Standards on Regional Bigotry

On Thu, 15 Jan 2004 17:40:18 -0600, Ronn!Blankenship <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: At 05:22 PM 1/15/04, The Fool wrote: There is more wisdom and insight in 1 Brad Delong Post than any fifty of the best JDG posts. But Brin-Lers already knew that. Ad hominem. Ad nauseum. I agree, let's try to ke

Re: Martian Emotion (was Easterbrook on Bush's NASA plan)

On Thursday 2004-01-15 20:19, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > > _That's_ what's inspiring about it. > > > > Who cares if its inspiring? > > > > Look I was raised to be a liberal. > > > > I feel that we should fund medicaide and take care of poor > > sick folk. (Heck, > > I am poor with chronic i

Re: Tg Territories

On Thursday 2004-01-15 20:58, Alberto Monteiro wrote: > > So a total of 9 respectable leasholds > > Ok *** > We still miss one. > > > First, to my way of thinking a Class-A leased planet needs to have some > > life (probably algal mat stage) and be terraformable. Would you believe > > that such

Re: Double Standards on Regional Bigotry

John wrote: Of course, I forgot, that I am an economist, and since economics isn't a science I won't be convinced by data. Of course, I should also point out that you have a long history of playing fast-and-loose with economic data on this List, doing things like ascribing economic data from Car

Re: Tg Territories

Trent Shipley wrote: > >> We still miss one. > >> Alpha Centauri would be the 2nd lease. IIRC, at the time of Sundiver >> Earth had 3 colonies. > > Good. So you do not care that the Alpha Centuri colony is Class-A, or are > you proposing that is it Class-B? > It could be anything. Probably a worl

Re: Martian Emotion (was Easterbrook on Bush's NASA plan)

Robert Seeberger wrote: > A mission to a nickle-iron asteroid that would mean an eventual return > for investment just aint sexy. I can think of one other listmember > who, like me, might pop a boner at the thought of asteroid mining, but > I doubt anyone else here would get excited, or in any oth

Re: Easterbrook on Bush's NASA plan

Bryon Daly wrote: > I think "Manned Exploration Vehicle" would make more sense, but > Easterbrook's just nitpicking here. "Crewed" would be better than "Crew". Except "Crewed" sounds exactly like "Crude". Using "Manned" is an open invitation for accusations of sexism, unfortunately. Ju

Re: The GOP Problem With Women

"John D. Giorgis" wrote: > > At 10:21 PM 1/14/2004 -0600 Dan Minette wrote: > >> At 06:54 PM 1/14/2004 -0800 Nick Arnett wrote: > >> >That makes sense. To what extent do you regard conservatives, as a > >> >generalization, as male-dominated? > >> > >> In all honesty none. > >> > >> I can say with

Re: Martian Emotion (was Easterbrook on Bush's NASA plan)

- Original Message - From: "Julia Thompson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Killer Bs Discussion" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2004 10:41 PM Subject: Re: Martian Emotion (was Easterbrook on Bush's NASA plan) > Robert Seeberger wrote: > > > A mission to a nickle-iron asteroid

Re: Tg Territories

On Thursday 2004-01-15 21:22, Alberto Monteiro wrote: > Trent Shipley wrote: > >> We still miss one. > >> > >> Alpha Centauri would be the 2nd lease. IIRC, at the time of Sundiver > >> Earth had 3 colonies. > > > > Good. So you do not care that the Alpha Centuri colony is Class-A, or > > are you p

Hoon Leases and Colonies (Was Notes on Uplift)

> Everything I'm trying to do by way of numbers, is to make Alvin filthy rich > whether or not he really wants to be so. > > William Taylor Why? ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l