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On 27 Aug 2004, at 3:03 am, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
If we behave in the same way as an animal that lacks
our intelligence and consciousness (it has a more limited sense or
absent sense
of "I") then maybe our consciousness really isn't the thing that is
controlling our behavior. One way to think
In a message dated 8/26/2004 4:07:59 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Gene space arguments are fine if you're discussing creatures with no clear
>sense of self-awareness or consequences for actions, such as bacteria or
>tobacco company attorneys. Once you install a sense of "I
In a message dated 8/26/2004 2:43:34 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Probably. But then I bet the raper isn't thinking
altruistically about the Human Race, but rather
maximizing the spread of his genes. It's an
evolutionary advantage, but to HIM.
This of course true. It is also
In a message dated 8/26/2004 1:07:56 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:
If a conquered community's offspring were mostly procreated by one man or
one man and his immediate relatives, wouldn't this reduce the genetic
diversity of a population and thus result in an evolutionary di
In a message dated 8/25/2004 9:31:32 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
This is similar to what Dan mentioned about Ghengis Khan -- but it's
still disseminating genes, not actually changing a species. At best
rape might be *neutral* evolutionarily -- neither favored nor selected
Dan Minette wrote:
>
> I was specifically thinking about rape accompanying conquest. Lets
> simplify it. Take a system with thousands of tribes. There are attacks
> from time to time. The variables are such that each is as likely to wind
> the conquest as the other.
>
> 5% of these thousands of
> I was specifically thinking about rape accompanying
> conquest. Lets
> simplify it. Take a system with thousands of
> tribes. There are attacks
> from time to time. The variables are such that each
> is as likely to wind
> the conquest as the other.
I was also thinking about rape wrt conque
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From: "Damon Agretto" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Killer Bs Discussion" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2004 1:43 PM
Subject: Re: The Mercies of The Vatican
> > If a conquered community's offspring were mostly
> > procreated by one man or
> > one man and
> Damon Agretto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > [Doug?]
> > If a conquered community's offspring were mostly
> > procreated by one man or
> > one man and his immediate relatives, wouldn't this
> > reduce the genetic
> > diversity of a population and thus result in an
> > evolutionary disadvantage
On 26 Aug 2004, at 9:34 pm, Deborah Harrell wrote:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I have been reading some LeGuin books over the
past 6 months or so and have really enjoyed
the ones I have read.
Left Hand of Darkness
The Telling
Dispossed (in the middle)
The order I have read them is purely accidental,
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> I have been reading some LeGuin books over the
> past 6 months or so and have really enjoyed
> the ones I have read.
>
> Left Hand of Darkness
> The Telling
> Dispossed (in the middle)
>
> The order I have read them is purely accidental,
> but seems to flow. Does
I am cut'n'pasting from two other threads as well -
the Fascist and Mercies ones.
> Doug Pensinger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> It seems eminently logical to me that ethics evolved
> in part as a survival
> mechanism for those that had a physical disadvantage
> and an intellectual
> advantage.
From: Warren Ockrassa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: Killer Bs Discussion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: The Mercies of The Vatican
Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 16:58:13 -0700
Gene space arguments are fine if you're discussing creatures with no clear
sense
On Aug 26, 2004, at 10:55 AM, Doug Pensinger wrote:
It seems eminently logical to me that ethics evolved in part as a
survival mechanism for those that had a physical disadvantage and an
intellectual advantage. For instance, a shaman that convinced his
community that the spirits punished those
> For the military buffs here: I saw no mention in
> posts
> thus far of Russian winter conditions as part of the
> reason the Nazis ultimately lost; do you think it
> played a significant part or not? (My understanding
> was that it did factor in a great deal, but perhaps
> that was because of on
--- Deborah Harrell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Just wanted to note that, last night, in videotape I
> saw of Parisians celebrating the anniversary of the
> emancipation of Paris from Nazi rule, some were
> waving
> (large) American flags. I think it's as unfair to
> assume all the French are as
> If a conquered community's offspring were mostly
> procreated by one man or
> one man and his immediate relatives, wouldn't this
> reduce the genetic
> diversity of a population and thus result in an
> evolutionary disadvantage?
Probably. But then I bet the raper isn't thinking
altruistically
> Gautam Mukunda <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> In fact, as far as I am aware the US has the most
> expansive definition of freedom of speech of any
> nationand
> quite a few countries that would be very powerful in
> the UN are _actively opposed_ to any form of freedom
> of speech, while many o
> Behalf Of Warren Ockrassa
>
> Electrons are mythical; partons, on the other hand, are not.
> I went to
> Dollywood last month so I know that for a fact.
And if you live in Florida, elections are mythical as well.
At least that's the way I read this at first...
- jmh
Just Kidding Maru
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Warren wrote:
zim wrote:
Rape is "favored" in some sense in that males who have little or no
chance of non-coercive copulation can procreate through rape.
This is similar to what Dan mentioned about Ghengis Khan -- but it's
still disseminating genes, not actually changing a species. At best rape
It seems eminently logical to me that ethics evolved in part as a survival
mechanism for those that had a physical disadvantage and an intellectual
advantage. For instance, a shaman that convinced his community that the
spirits punished those who killed their spiritual leaders would stand a
be
Dan wrote:
I cannot point to the gene for free will any more than I can point to the
gene for reflective self-awareness. :-)
But isn't the evidence for reflective self-awareness in humans much more
compelling than the evidence against free will in pumas?
--
Doug
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From: "William T Goodall" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Killer Bs Discussion" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2004 10:20 AM
Subject: Re: Fascist Censorship Spreads: Vichy Style
>
> On 26 Aug 2004, at 1:46 am, Dan Minette wrote:
> >
> > Since pumas do not h
Warren Ockrassa wrote:
>
> So Perestroika and Glasnost and so on, and eventually Communism in
> Russia went away (for now!). The same will *probably* happen in China
> and North Korea, but I'll say again that it doesn't magically happen.
> There must be competition from other societies, if for no o
On 26 Aug 2004, at 12:30 am, Dan Minette wrote:
From: "Warren Ockrassa" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
I don't make moral choices either, just ethical ones, and both good
and
evil are human-defined terms that refer to things which do not
objectively exist.
So, an ethics in which it is immoral to allow a Jew
On 26 Aug 2004, at 1:46 am, Dan Minette wrote:
Since pumas do not have free will, they are not acting immorally. A
human
who does the same would be.
What makes you think a puma doesn't have free will if humans do? Do you
think chimpanzees have free will? Where is the gene for free will, and
ho
--- Richard Baker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Gautam said (in a message I haven't seen):
>
> > As one Soviet general said to the other in Paris,
> "By
> > the way, who won the air war?" (old, and bitter,
> army
> > joke). The "sea battle" was relevant only to the
> > extent that it allowed the
Gautam said (in a message I haven't seen):
> As one Soviet general said to the other in Paris, "By
> the way, who won the air war?" (old, and bitter, army
> joke). The "sea battle" was relevant only to the
> extent that it allowed the US to supply Great Britain.
And both to supply the Soviet Un
Dan Minette wrote:
>
>> As an example, if you're in the middle of Faulkner's markless trackless
>> unaxed wild and a puma finds and eats you, whither your human right to
>> life?
>
> Since pumas do not have free will, they are not acting immorally. A human
> who does the same would be.
>
A bad ex
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From: "Gautam Mukunda" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Killer Bs Discussion" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2004 10:33 PM
Subject: Re: Fascist Censorship Spreads: Vichy Style
> --- Warren Ockrassa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > On Aug 25, 2004, at 6:33 PM,
--- Warren Ockrassa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I still feel (so far) that, all things being equal
> or equivalent
> (population, power, etc) at the beginning of a
> contest, if you have two
> evenly-matched nations, one of which is totalitarian
> and the other more
> liberty-oriented, the tota
> impact on the ability of German industry to arm the
> Wehrmacht. Do you feel this is a reasonable
> assessment?
Yep. That's a theory that's already been explored to a
certain extent. I don't have any references, but I
remember studying the topic when I wrote a paper in
college on the very subje
Damon Agretto wrote:
> Ohhh I dunno about that either, considering the
> culture has a real tech-fetish (seems like a lot of
> asian cultures do...the Koreans and Chinese seem to
> have it too). It may be that the only stuff that's
> been out lately has that "SF-Fantasy" bend, but then
> if you'
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