Re: 2004 Presidential Race Analysis

2004-10-12 Thread Gautam Mukunda
--- Dan Minette <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Most polls just before the 2000 election showed such > a bias. IIRC, Zogby > was the one poll that was close to on top of the > right number. IIRC, that > was true in the previous election, tool. > > Dan M. This may be right, but I seem to recall that

W and the apocalypts

2004-10-12 Thread d.brin
All right, I was challenged to come up with direct links between W and the apocalypts. Here you go: http://www.counterpunch.org/hill1019.html http://www.thenation.com/docprint.mhtml?i=20030922&s=mcalister see also http://www.rolligstone.com/ (you have to poke around) for the article "Reverend Do

Kerry on Iraq in the 2nd Debate

2004-10-12 Thread John D. Giorgis
KERRY: Well, let me tell you straight up: I've never changed my mind about Iraq. I do believe Saddam Hussein was a threat. I always believed he was a threat. Believed it in 1998 when Clinton was president. I wanted to give Clinton the power to use force if necessary. Then, about five minutes late

Re: 2004 Presidential Race Analysis

2004-10-12 Thread John D. Giorgis
At 10:04 AM 10/12/2004 -0500 Dan Minette wrote: >Most polls just before the 2000 election showed such a bias. IIRC, Zogby >was the one poll that was close to on top of the right number. IIRC, that >was true in the previous election, tool. I would argue that Harris came out ahead of Zogby in 2000,

Cheney Vows To Attack US If Kerry Elected

2004-10-12 Thread Robert G. Seeberger
http://www.theonion.com/news/index.php?issue=4041 In an announcement that has alarmed voters across the nation, Vice President Dick Cheney said Monday that he will personally attack the U.S. if Sen. John Kerry wins the next election. "If the wrong man is elected in November, the nation will come

Re: 2004 Presidential Race Analysis

2004-10-12 Thread Russell Chapman
Erik Reuter wrote: What was the margin of error of the poll? Quantify your "landslided", how much did the winner get? Different polls gave different margins, but they were all way short of the actual result - way short. The most prominent polls were talking 50:50 with margins of 3% for Newspoll,

Re: The Electoral College

2004-10-12 Thread Alberto Monteiro
Andrew Paul wrote: > > In our recent elections, the HEMP party (Help End Marijuana Prohibition), > :-) Ah, the wonders of a multi-party democracy! Like Australia, Brazil has some weird parties too, but - so far - no one dedicated to Marijuana :-) [we had _two_ strong Commun

Re: Scouted: Fight The Future: RFID Driver's Licenses - Now With Added 'Papers Please'

2004-10-12 Thread Alberto Monteiro
The Fool wrote: > > Barcodes have '666' built right in. The two thin bars are a six and > normal barcodes have 6-some numbers-6-more numbers-6. > I imagine that they did that on purpose, to get free publicity, like those heavy metal bands that started to add satanic verses _after_ some nutty fun

Trouble at Electoral-Vote.Com

2004-10-12 Thread Robert G. Seeberger
http://www.electoral-vote2.com/#news The site has had technical problems repeatedly in the past several days and has been down several times. I didn't want to discuss this, but I don't want anyone to think the problem was an incompetent hosting service. Just the opposite. The site has been subje

Re: Caminiti Smiles

2004-10-12 Thread Robert Seeberger
Dan Minette wrote: > - Original Message - > From: "Horn, John" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Killer Bs Discussion" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2004 9:05 AM > Subject: RE: Caminiti Smiles > > >> Behalf Of Robert G. Seeberger >> >> How about those Astros?

Re: Brin: economics issues

2004-10-12 Thread Erik Reuter
On Tue, Oct 12, 2004 at 03:08:54PM -0700, d.brin wrote: > (The complete numbers are available at > www.economist.com/economistspoll.) I thought the results of the last question, "For whom would you rather work? [if you had a chance to work in a policy job in Washington]" were interesting: 81% for

re: Brin: economics issues

2004-10-12 Thread d.brin
Meanwhile, if we weren't to stoked up on artificial "war" panic to pay attention to our own nation's well- being In an informal poll of 100 economics experts, conducted by The Economist, Mr Bush's policies win low marks. More than 70% of the 56 who responded to our survey rate Mr Bush's fir

RE: Caminiti Smiles

2004-10-12 Thread Horn, John
> Behalf Of Dan Minette > > Oh, is it contention you want, huh? > > Well, your mother sews socks that smell. I don't ever recall seeing my mom sew socks. Maybe that's why my feet were always cold... - jmh ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listi

Re: Brin: The latest ripoff

2004-10-12 Thread Medievalbk
In a message dated 10/12/2004 1:19:34 PM US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: . I'll be posting a Second Salvo (maybe tonight) that detailed-dissects the Neoconservative alliance. db >sigh< I can see the argument now. Some will say you're using breech loaders. Some will

Re: Brin: The latest ripoff

2004-10-12 Thread David Brin
Good question Dan. A clue is the 50% figure. It has to be very broad. e.g. those people hypnotized into believing that stupid obstinacy and monomania are the same thing as "strong leadership". For all of my vaunted belief in the People,this is a genuine cult mentality, in the face of clear evid

Re: Brin: The latest ripoff

2004-10-12 Thread Dan Minette
- Original Message - From: "David Brin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Killer Bs Discussion" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2004 1:59 PM Subject: Re: Brin: The latest ripoff > Yes, 50% of them are insipidly trapped by a dogmatic > cult right now. SO? Out of curiosity, just

Re: Brin: The latest ripoff

2004-10-12 Thread Dave Land
David, et al, People are not only sheep, they are very dim sheep. Uh oh... now watch it, Dave. My biggest rant is IAAMOAC. There is SOMETHING RIGHT about our civilization. It's the Enlightenment's one hope. And the Enlightenment bets on the common man. Yes, 50% of them are insipidly trapped by

Re: Caminiti Smiles

2004-10-12 Thread Medievalbk
In a message dated 10/12/2004 10:32:59 AM US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Oh, is it contention you want, huh? Well, your mother sews socks that smell. Dan M. Are you trying to arguile her on? Vilyehm ___ http://www.mccmed

Re: Brin: The latest ripoff

2004-10-12 Thread David Brin
--- Dave Land <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > $101 million for NASCAR tracks. > > Of course, we all know that this is The Good > Doctor's real problem with > this bill ;-). Har! ;-) > People are not only sheep, they are very dim sheep. Uh oh... now watch it, Dave. My biggest rant is IAAMOAC.

Re: Brin: The latest ripoff

2004-10-12 Thread Dave Land
Folks, $101 million for NASCAR tracks. Of course, we all know that this is The Good Doctor's real problem with this bill ;-). If Mr. Bush cannot bring himself to veto this terrible bill, it will be hard to take him seriously." Honestly, it has been hard to take him seriously for a long damn time

Re: Caminiti Smiles

2004-10-12 Thread Julia Thompson
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > I'm sorry. > > The Arizona football Cardinals are so bad, I can't follow any conversation on > any other team called the Cardinals. > > I'll wait for basketball season. > > William Taylor What I'm waiting for is for the Phoenix football team owner to give up on tha

re: Brin: The latest ripoff

2004-10-12 Thread d.brin
Please pass this along. Proof that we need to do more than change the Executive Branch. This is the worst, most corrupt, most spendthrift, divisive and unprofessional Congress in living memory. At least Newt Gingrich had some honesty and weird vision. That's why the corrupt neocons got rid o

Re: br!n: My big salvo

2004-10-12 Thread Dan Minette
- Original Message - From: "Dan Minette" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Killer Bs Discussion" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, October 11, 2004 7:42 PM Subject: Re: br!n: My big salvo > > You could also show me why using sums is wrong...but I'm pretty sure that's > what happens in the votes

Re: Caminiti Smiles

2004-10-12 Thread Dan Minette
- Original Message - From: "Horn, John" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Killer Bs Discussion" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2004 11:56 AM Subject: RE: Caminiti Smiles > Behalf Of Julia Thompson > > rooting for a Sox-Astros WS, and if she can't have that, it would be > nice fo

RE: Caminiti Smiles

2004-10-12 Thread Horn, John
> Behalf Of Julia Thompson > > rooting for a Sox-Astros WS, and if she can't have that, it would be > nice for at least *one* of those two teams to make it I'm rooting for a Sox-Cardinals WS, personally. Or a Yankees-Cardinals WS. I'll take either one. Looks like we are going to have some on-l

Medicaid from rural doctor's perspective

2004-10-12 Thread Erik Reuter
http://online.wsj.com/article_print/0,,SB109745753470341716,00.html Medicaid Makes Treating the Poor A Collections Hassle October 12, 2004 Editor's Note: The Doctor's Office is a new online column about the issues, challenges and rewards facing physicians today. It's written by Dr. Benjamin Brew

Re: Caminiti Smiles

2004-10-12 Thread Medievalbk
I'm sorry. The Arizona football Cardinals are so bad, I can't follow any conversation on any other team called the Cardinals. I'll wait for basketball season. William Taylor ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l

Re: 2004 Presidential Race Analysis

2004-10-12 Thread Dan Minette
- Original Message - From: "JDG" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Killer Bs Discussion" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2004 6:24 AM Subject: RE: 2004 Presidential Race Analysis > At 07:10 PM 10/12/2004 +1000 Andrew Paul wrote: > >> From: Erik Reuter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >

Re: Caminiti Smiles

2004-10-12 Thread Dan Minette
- Original Message - From: "Horn, John" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Killer Bs Discussion" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2004 9:05 AM Subject: RE: Caminiti Smiles > Behalf Of Robert G. Seeberger > > How about those Astros?!! An impressive win, no do

RE: Caminiti Smiles

2004-10-12 Thread Horn, John
> Behalf Of Robert G. Seeberger > > How about those Astros?!! An impressive win, no doubt. How bad is the NL East that the Braves run away with it every year but can never win in the playoffs? As a Cardinals fan, I was hoping to play the Braves as I think we match up bet

Re: The Electoral College (Was: Re: 2004 Presidential Race Analysis)

2004-10-12 Thread Erik Reuter
On Tue, Oct 12, 2004 at 08:07:25AM -0400, JDG wrote: > It should be self-evident that your advice would be to concentrate on > the largest States. Not at all. Perhaps if you think overly-simplistically like the Bush administration... -- Erik Reuter http://www.erikreuter.net/

Re: 2004 Presidential Race Analysis

2004-10-12 Thread Erik Reuter
On Tue, Oct 12, 2004 at 07:24:35AM -0400, JDG wrote: > That is, while one poll of 50-46 would be "within the margin of error" > - having six such polls would lead you to say with some confidence > that candidate A is slightly ahead, probably by around 50-46. Fine, if true, but your analysis is no

RE: 2004 Presidential Race Analysis

2004-10-12 Thread JDG
At 07:10 PM 10/12/2004 +1000 Andrew Paul wrote: >> From: Erik Reuter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> The data is really too close to call. People can analyze all >> they want, it doesn't change the fact that the polls are >> within the margin of error. Using a large number of polls can substantial

Re: The Electoral College (Was: Re: 2004 Presidential Race Analysis)

2004-10-12 Thread JDG
At 02:39 AM 10/12/2004 -0400 Bryon Daly wrote: >> >And of course if all the states did this, then it wouldn't be a >> >disadvantage to anyone. >> >> No, it would disproportionately benefit the largest States.For example, >> 1/52nd of the vote in California would move one Electoral Vote - or ab

Re: 2004 Presidential Race Analysis

2004-10-12 Thread Erik Reuter
On Tue, Oct 12, 2004 at 07:10:48PM +1000, Andrew Paul wrote: > Our recent election turned out to be a mini-landslide for the > incumbent conservative Liberal party. Newspaper headlines on the > morning of the poll were still calling it a 50/50 race, based on some > professional polls. What was th

RE: 2004 Presidential Race Analysis

2004-10-12 Thread Andrew Paul
> From: Erik Reuter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > The data is really too close to call. People can analyze all > they want, it doesn't change the fact that the polls are > within the margin of error. > Our recent election turned out to be a mini-landslide for the incumbent conservative Li

RE: The Electoral College (Was: Re: 2004 Presidential Race Analysis)

2004-10-12 Thread Andrew Paul
> From: Warren Ockrassa [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > I'd agree with EC concerns. There are better systems in place now in > other countries that we'd do well to consider. I'm fond of runoff > elections. Had they been in place in 2000, Gore would have taken the > house. (Since most dual votes

Re: VW, was Re: Vacation claims

2004-10-12 Thread Sonja van Baardwijk-Holten
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 06 Oct 2004 19:41:31 +0200, Sonja van Baardwijk-Holten <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Oct 5, 2004, at 9:51 PM, Julia Thompson wrote: Next, I don't know anyone with a BMW or Mercedes well enough to, well, you know. ;) But I kn