Re: Gay Marriage [was: It seems over...]

2004-11-04 Thread Warren Ockrassa
On Nov 4, 2004, at 4:52 PM, Alberto Monteiro wrote: I think g*vernments should remove marriage from the law and include something like a "Civil Society", which would allow _any_ number of consenting adults to form a society, with rights of adoption and inheritance, with clear rules to dispose of go

Re: It seems over...

2004-11-04 Thread Warren Ockrassa
On Nov 4, 2004, at 10:01 PM, Gautam Mukunda wrote: --- Warren Ockrassa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Maybe. I'm not sure how much of low turnout can be attributable to happiness as opposed to apathy or outright disenfranchisement. Wasn't it NV that had a "none of the above" box on their Prez ballo

And in other auction news: British Vulcan Nuclear Bomber XL391

2004-11-04 Thread Dave Land
Folks, Go ahead and pay $1.65M for your stinking /simulated/ space station module... OR Bid on an /actual/ British nucular bomber for a shade over £10,000. http://tinyurl.com/6l78x "Complete with engines" "NO ARMAMENTS. WILL NOT FLY" Dave ___ http://www

Viva La Democracy

2004-11-04 Thread Andrew Paul
Whatever ones feelings on the outcome, it is always humbling and instructive to watch Democracy in action. The American people spoke, and it seems clear where their feelings lay. All the spin, the hoopla, the bull that went on, the viscious ads, the blatent lies (both sides included), are washed

Re: A few positive things

2004-11-04 Thread Dan Minette
- Original Message - From: "JDG" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Killer Bs Discussion" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2004 10:07 PM Subject: Re: A few positive things > At 12:51 PM 11/4/2004 -0600 Dan Minette wrote: > >I think that the best we can hope for now, is that Iraq w

Re: It seems over...

2004-11-04 Thread Gautam Mukunda
--- Warren Ockrassa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Maybe. I'm not sure how much of low turnout can > be attributable to > happiness as opposed to apathy or outright > disenfranchisement. Wasn't > it NV that had a "none of the above" box on their > Prez ballot? That got > 2,000+ votes, I think.

Where do we go from here?

2004-11-04 Thread Gautam Mukunda
I couldn't resist quoting Buffy...but the question is a serious one. The we in this case being the Democratic Party. I had hoped that this outcome might suggest a striking re-evaluation of the Party's direction. The early signs are not encouraging. So, let me make a few brief points: 1. If you

Re: Drudge: HimmlerCroft to Resign!!

2004-11-04 Thread Julia Thompson
Erik Reuter wrote: > > On Thu, Nov 04, 2004 at 06:50:07PM -0600, Julia Thompson wrote: > > Look, there *is* no gambling here. Get over it. :) > > > > Julia > > > > but I'm betting someone continues in this vein this month > > Don't play that again. Sample size insufficient -- I say no way

Re: It seems over...

2004-11-04 Thread Julia Thompson
Dave Land wrote: > > On Nov 4, 2004, at 5:15 PM, Julia Thompson wrote: > > > JOHN GIORGIS wrote: > >> > >> Original message > >>> Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 12:28:22 -0700 > >>> From: Warren Ockrassa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >>> Subject: Re: It seems over... > >>> To: Killer Bs Discussion <[EMA

Feds: Obesity Raising Airline Fuel Costs

2004-11-04 Thread Gary Nunn
Feds Say Obesity Epidemic Weighing Down Planes, Pushing Up Fuel Costs ATLANTA Nov 4, 2004 - Heavy suitcases aren't the only things weighing down airplanes and requiring them to burn more fuel, pushing up the cost of flights. A new government study reveals that airlines increasingly have to worry

Re: The Magic Ingredient?

2004-11-04 Thread Dave Land
On Nov 4, 2004, at 8:02 PM, JDG wrote: At 06:03 PM 11/4/2004 -0800 Dave Land wrote: The problem is that, despite all the evangelical language that accompanies the bombast, this line of thinking dethrones God. It denies the gift of the cross and says that we, not Christ, are the savior. So, I guess

Re: It seems over...

2004-11-04 Thread JDG
At 10:56 AM 11/4/2004 -0800 Damon Agretto wrote: >Personally, I think the government should drop the >term "marriage" from their side of things, and call >ALL such unions Civil Unions and treat them the same. Of course, this would make opponents of gay marriage no happier, so it still seems like a

Re: The Magic Ingredient?

2004-11-04 Thread JDG
At 06:03 PM 11/4/2004 -0800 Dave Land wrote: >The problem is that, despite all the evangelical language that >accompanies the bombast, this line of thinking dethrones God. It >denies the gift of the cross and says that we, not Christ, are the >savior. So, I guess that we should just close all the

Re: A few positive things

2004-11-04 Thread JDG
At 12:51 PM 11/4/2004 -0600 Dan Minette wrote: >I think that the best we can hope for now, is that Iraq will end up a wash. >The downside is tremendous. My fear is that Bush et. al. will remain in >denial about this and send good money after bad, so to speak. Out of curiosity, is there a typo/mis

Re: It seems over...

2004-11-04 Thread John D. Giorgis
At 12:01 AM 11/5/2004 + Alberto Monteiro wrote: >John Horn wrote: >> >> When he finished voting, the father went over and stood >> behind the daughters and showed them how to vote. The wife happened >> to be at the machine next to me and she stood there for several >> minutes doing nothing unt

Re: It seems over...

2004-11-04 Thread Dave Land
On Nov 4, 2004, at 5:52 PM, Russell Chapman wrote: Horn, John wrote: Again, he stood behind her (and me!) telling her what to do. She didn't seem to understand that she had to put the punch-card ballot *in* the little slot and how to follow the ballot to know where to punch. Wow, that's a jailab

Re: The Magic Ingredient?

2004-11-04 Thread Dave Land
On Nov 4, 2004, at 5:25 PM, Jim Sharkey wrote: The secret weapon of the neo-conservative movement is self-righteousness. Nah, it's even simpler than that. Just point out that you're against the two all-time great objects of Christian fear and loathing, the twin bogiemen of Sodomites and Saracens,

Re: Drudge: HimmlerCroft to Resign!!

2004-11-04 Thread Erik Reuter
On Thu, Nov 04, 2004 at 06:50:07PM -0600, Julia Thompson wrote: > Look, there *is* no gambling here. Get over it. :) > > Julia > > but I'm betting someone continues in this vein this month Don't play that again. Sample size insufficient -- I say no way. Germane to astrology and Gregorian

Re: It seems over...

2004-11-04 Thread Russell Chapman
Horn, John wrote: Again, he stood behind her (and me!) telling her what to do. She didn't seem to understand that she had to put the punch-card ballot *in* the little slot and how to follow the ballot to know where to punch. Wow, that's a jailable offence here. If you don't know how to vote, yo

RE: The Magic Ingredient?

2004-11-04 Thread Jim Sharkey
Dave Land wrote: >The secret weapon of the neo-conservative movement is self-righteousness. Nah, it's even simpler than that. Just point out that you're against the two all-time great objects of Christian fear and loathing, the twin bogiemen of Sodomites and Saracens, and you're guaranteed to

Re: It seems over...

2004-11-04 Thread Dave Land
On Nov 4, 2004, at 5:15 PM, Julia Thompson wrote: JOHN GIORGIS wrote: Original message Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 12:28:22 -0700 From: Warren Ockrassa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: It seems over... To: Killer Bs Discussion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> In which case the church in question is free to

Re: It seems over...

2004-11-04 Thread Julia Thompson
JOHN GIORGIS wrote: > > Original message > >Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 12:28:22 -0700 > >From: Warren Ockrassa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Subject: Re: It seems over... > >To: Killer Bs Discussion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >In which case the church in question is free to not perform > >the wedding. Th

Re: It seems over...

2004-11-04 Thread Julia Thompson
Warren Ockrassa wrote: > > On Nov 4, 2004, at 1:49 AM, Bryon Daly wrote: > > > On Wed, 3 Nov 2004 21:59:28 -0700, Warren Ockrassa > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> > >> When was the last time a president was really a man of the people, as > >> opposed to someone ludicrously rich, born to privil

Re: It seems over...

2004-11-04 Thread Julia Thompson
Warren Ockrassa wrote: > > On Nov 3, 2004, at 10:28 PM, Julia Thompson wrote: > > >> At least we didn't have any claims that elderly voters were "confused" > >> by clearly-labeled ballots. ;) > > > > No, we just had issues with certain voting machines when the voter was > > voting straight ticket

Re: Bush Cares, and wants us all well fed

2004-11-04 Thread Julia Thompson
Dave Land wrote: > > On Nov 4, 2004, at 11:12 AM, Damon Agretto wrote: > > >> (If you don't get the reference to the twilight zone > >> episode, this will mean > >> nothing to you.) > > > > Younger TV viewers or those that never watched the > > Twilight Zone (such as I, save an episode here and >

Re: Bush Cares, and wants us all well fed

2004-11-04 Thread Julia Thompson
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > After Kerry Concedes, Bush Cites 'A Duty to Serve All Americans' > > IT'S A COOK BOOK!!! Walt shouted via Email. > > (If you don't get the reference to the twilight zone episode, this will mean > nothing to you.) > Yours, > Murcury, Messenger of good

Re: Drudge: HimmlerCroft to Resign!!

2004-11-04 Thread Julia Thompson
Dave Land wrote: > > On Nov 4, 2004, at 10:22 AM, Dan Minette wrote: > > >> It was a joke he made during a Harvard speech that The > >> Fool is taking out of context. > > > > What? Are you saying The Fool takes things out of context? I'm > > shocked, > > shocked. > > CROUPIER: Your winnings, si

Re: Iraq civilian casualties.

2004-11-04 Thread Gautam Mukunda
--- Dan Minette <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I have read about a recent study on the number of > civilian deaths during > the last year in Iraq. The methodology seems, on > paper, capable of > providing at least order of magnitude accuracy (i.e. > differentiating to > within at least a factor of

Re: It seems over...

2004-11-04 Thread kerri miller
--- Russell Chapman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > kerri miller wrote: > > >--- Russell Chapman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > >>(especially to a citizen of a country where voting is compulsory...) > >> > >> > >>From what I understand, if you don't vote you just have to say "Oh, I > wa

Re: Brin-l Digest, Vol 199, Issue 4

2004-11-04 Thread Matt Grimaldi
Gautam Mukunda wrote: > It seems basically over at this > point - but apparently the Kerry > campaign is going to hang on. > Of all the possible outcomes, > this was not one that crossed my mind. If there was anything to be learned from election 2000, it's that you must not concede until all the

Re: It seems over...

2004-11-04 Thread Alberto Monteiro
John Horn wrote: > > When he finished voting, the father went over and stood > behind the daughters and showed them how to vote. The wife happened > to be at the machine next to me and she stood there for several > minutes doing nothing until the husband came over to her. Again, he > stood behind

Re: It seems over...

2004-11-04 Thread Russell Chapman
kerri miller wrote: --- Russell Chapman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: (especially to a citizen of a country where voting is compulsory...) From what I understand, if you don't vote you just have to say "Oh, I was sick" or you face a $15AU fine? Basically, yes. It's AUD20 (USD15), and you ca

Re: It seems over...

2004-11-04 Thread Alberto Monteiro
Warren Ockrassa wrote: > > Absolutely they do, but there are boundaries of acceptable behavior > that can and must be applied to churches if they wish to remain active > members in civil societies. Religious groups do *not* have a right to > bomb abortion clinics or crash-land aircraft into buildin

Gay Marriage [was: It seems over...]

2004-11-04 Thread Alberto Monteiro
Damon Agretto wrote: > > Personally, I think the government should drop the > term "marriage" from their side of things, and call > ALL such unions Civil Unions and treat them the same. > I think g*vernments should remove marriage from the law and include something like a "Civil Society", which wou

Re: Own a replica of an Intl. Space Station module...

2004-11-04 Thread Damon Agretto
That's a much better use of money than the $10,000,000 bra: Does it come with the model already in it? Damon :P Damon Agretto [EMAIL PROTECTED] "Qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum." http://www.geocities.com/garrand.geo/index.html Now

Re: Own a replica of an Intl. Space Station module...

2004-11-04 Thread Dave Land
On Nov 4, 2004, at 2:35 PM, Julia Thompson wrote: Gary Nunn wrote: Only, $1,650,000.00 (US) That's a much better use of money than the $10,000,000 bra: Completely concur, but I think the bra looks better on Tyra Banks than the module would. Dave ___ ht

Re: Own a replica of an Intl. Space Station module...

2004-11-04 Thread Julia Thompson
Gary Nunn wrote: > > Only, $1,650,000.00 (US) > > ...this full-scale museum replica of the U.S. Laboratory Module Destiny is > constructed with amazing attention to detail including an observation window > with a flat panel screen with earth views, an astronaut sleeping cabin with > sleeping bag

Re: Bush Cares, and wants us all well fed

2004-11-04 Thread Dave Land
On Nov 4, 2004, at 12:35 PM, Damon Agretto wrote: The same guy who recited _The Raven_ and played a garbage man in that same episode. I thought that was James Earl Jones! Indeed, it was. He also was the Narrator and voiced the garbage man. This was the fabulous "Treehouse of Terror" episode, one

RE: It seems over...

2004-11-04 Thread Horn, John
> Behalf Of Warren Ockrassa > > At least we didn't have any claims that elderly voters were > "confused" > by clearly-labeled ballots. ;) I was behind a family voting together on Tuesday. A father, a mother and 2 daughters. The daughters didn't look old enough to vote to me but I guess they w

Re: It seems over...

2004-11-04 Thread JOHN GIORGIS
Original message >Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 12:28:22 -0700 >From: Warren Ockrassa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: Re: It seems over... >To: Killer Bs Discussion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >In which case the church in question is free to not perform >the wedding. They are not, however, free to tel

Re: Scouted: Salon: Trapped in the Echo Chamber

2004-11-04 Thread The Fool
> From: Dave Land <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > On Nov 4, 2004, at 9:26 AM, The Fool wrote: > > > One party (we'll call them 'Progressives') conducted an open campaign, > > where every thing they did was out in the open, and you could see what > > they were doing and where they were doing it. They shout

Re: Ban Marriage (was Re: It seems over...)

2004-11-04 Thread Richard Baker
Damon said: > I have a libertarian friend who believes just that. NO > government intervention, and treat it like any other > contract (if such an agreement is entered into). I > asked his wife if he was always this romantic... Romance comes from government intervention?! Rich GCU Wilful Misunde

Re: Smipsons and good eating habbits

2004-11-04 Thread MironMurcury
Hi, Never saw the Simpsons episode referenced here. I bet I'd enjoy it and laugh for more then a day. Was this episode a "Treehouse of Terror" Halloween special? I did catch the excellent DUCK AMOK reference, a few days ago, from the person describing their postage hijinks.

Re: Bush Cares, and wants us all well fed

2004-11-04 Thread Damon Agretto
> The same guy who recited _The Raven_ and played a > garbage man in that > same episode. I thought that was James Earl Jones! Damon. = Damon Agretto [EMAIL PROTECTED] "Qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum." http://www.geocitie

Re: It seems over...

2004-11-04 Thread Bryon Daly
On Thu, 4 Nov 2004 11:31:46 -0700, Warren Ockrassa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Nov 4, 2004, at 1:49 AM, Bryon Daly wrote: > > On Wed, 3 Nov 2004 21:59:28 -0700, Warren Ockrassa > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> > >> When was the last time a president was really a man of the people, as > >> op

Re: It seems over...

2004-11-04 Thread Warren Ockrassa
On Nov 4, 2004, at 11:54 AM, Dan Minette wrote: Or, that there are opinions that differ from yours that are not homophobic. How about bigoted, then? IMO banning gay marriage is identical to banning interracial marriage. You can find no differences? No, I can't. Skin color/ethnicity is a biological

Re: Ban Marriage (was Re: It seems over...)

2004-11-04 Thread Damon Agretto
> Last night's West Wing had a tongue-in-cheek > solution: ban marriage, > period. Get the government the heck out of the > marriage business. I have a libertarian friend who believes just that. NO government intervention, and treat it like any other contract (if such an agreement is entered into

Re: Bush Cares, and wants us all well fed

2004-11-04 Thread Warren Ockrassa
On Nov 4, 2004, at 12:37 PM, Dave Land wrote: Anyone remember who played Serak the Preparer? The same guy who recited _The Raven_ and played a garbage man in that same episode. -- Warren Ockrassa, Publisher/Editor, nightwares Books http://books.nightwares.com/ Current work in progress "The Seven

Re: Ban Marriage (was Re: It seems over...)

2004-11-04 Thread Warren Ockrassa
On Nov 4, 2004, at 12:41 PM, Dave Land wrote: Fair enough; that or forbid divorce as well as gay marriage, since it's divorce (50% rate!) that's the *real* threat to marriage. ;) Last night's West Wing had a tongue-in-cheek solution: ban marriage, period. Get the government the heck out of the ma

Ban Marriage (was Re: It seems over...)

2004-11-04 Thread Dave Land
On Nov 4, 2004, at 11:28 AM, Warren Ockrassa wrote: On Nov 4, 2004, at 11:56 AM, Damon Agretto wrote: Personally, I think the government should drop the term "marriage" from their side of things, and call ALL such unions Civil Unions and treat them the same. Fair enough; that or forbid divorce as w

Re: Bush Cares, and wants us all well fed

2004-11-04 Thread Dave Land
On Nov 4, 2004, at 11:12 AM, Damon Agretto wrote: (If you don't get the reference to the twilight zone episode, this will mean nothing to you.) Younger TV viewers or those that never watched the Twilight Zone (such as I, save an episode here and there) will likely recognize this from a similar paro

Re: It seems over...

2004-11-04 Thread Warren Ockrassa
On Nov 4, 2004, at 11:56 AM, Damon Agretto wrote: I think the term "Marriage" is too loaded a word, and means different things to different people. Fair enough; but of course when you're talking about bans and such, you get into legal definitions, which trump whether a word is loaded or not. What

Re: Bush Cares, and wants us all well fed

2004-11-04 Thread Damon Agretto
> (If you don't get the reference to the twilight zone > episode, this will mean > nothing to you.) Younger TV viewers or those that never watched the Twilight Zone (such as I, save an episode here and there) will likely recognize this from a similar parody on the Simpsons... Damon. = -

Re: It seems over...

2004-11-04 Thread Dan Minette
- Original Message - From: "Warren Ockrassa" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Killer Bs Discussion" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2004 12:24 PM Subject: Re: It seems over... > > > > Or, that there are opinions that differ from yours that are not > > homophobic. > > How about

Re: A few positive things

2004-11-04 Thread Dan Minette
- Original Message - From: "John D. Giorgis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Killer Bs Discussion" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2004 7:01 PM Subject: Re: A few positive things > 3) Presidents tend to be concerned about their legacy in their second > terms. The #1 priority

Re: It seems over...

2004-11-04 Thread Damon Agretto
I think the term "Marriage" is too loaded a word, and means different things to different people. I would guess for me and other secularists, it defines a relationship between 2 life-partners. For someone like John, I think it would be safe to assume there is a much more religious connontation to

Bush Cares, and wants us all well fed

2004-11-04 Thread MironMurcury
After Kerry Concedes, Bush Cites 'A Duty to Serve All Americans' IT'S A COOK BOOK!!! Walt shouted via Email. (If you don't get the reference to the twilight zone episode, this will mean nothing to you.) Yours, Murcury, Messenger of good humors ___

Re: Scouted: Salon: Trapped in the Echo Chamber

2004-11-04 Thread Dave Land
On Nov 4, 2004, at 9:26 AM, The Fool wrote: One party (we'll call them 'Progressives') conducted an open campaign, where every thing they did was out in the open, and you could see what they were doing and where they were doing it. They shouted the record numbers they were registering from the roo

Re: Roman Skin Cream

2004-11-04 Thread Damon Agretto
The Beeb suggests tin oxide was used because lead (presumably Lead Oxide) was in short supply in Britain, but tin wasn't (remember that various groups, such as the Phoenicans and their off-shoots traded or mined tin in Britain, an important resorce in bronze production). Too bad they didn't have ti

Re: Drudge: HimmlerCroft to Resign!!

2004-11-04 Thread Dave Land
On Nov 4, 2004, at 10:22 AM, Dan Minette wrote: It was a joke he made during a Harvard speech that The Fool is taking out of context. What? Are you saying The Fool takes things out of context? I'm shocked, shocked. CROUPIER: Your winnings, sir. ___ http

Re: It seems over...

2004-11-04 Thread Warren Ockrassa
On Nov 4, 2004, at 1:49 AM, Bryon Daly wrote: On Wed, 3 Nov 2004 21:59:28 -0700, Warren Ockrassa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: When was the last time a president was really a man of the people, as opposed to someone ludicrously rich, born to privilege, and utterly out of touch with workaday realities

Re: Drudge: HimmlerCroft to Resign!!

2004-11-04 Thread Dan Minette
- Original Message - From: "Gautam Mukunda" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Killer Bs Discussion" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2004 6:26 AM Subject: Re: Drudge: HimmlerCroft to Resign!! > It was a joke he made during a Harvard speech that The > Fool is taking out of context.

Re: Brin: An inital note about the teen-rmath

2004-11-04 Thread Dave Land
David Brin wrote: Actually, it's tang soo do (Korean) karate. Less heavy contact, more like a dance. Kids, esp girls like that better. My son, Ryan (7) and I started tae kwon do this year, at a do jang that prides itself on combining marshall arts and performing arts. Their "West Coast Action Tea

Re: It seems over...

2004-11-04 Thread Warren Ockrassa
On Nov 3, 2004, at 10:28 PM, Julia Thompson wrote: I mean that of the people who didn't vote this time, I would bet a vast preponderance chose not to because they didn't like the choices and figured voting for one bad apple wasn't any different from voting for another. It probably seemed the least

Re: Arafat dead?

2004-11-04 Thread Damon Agretto
> Why? Failing health at 75 isn't so unusal. The > Israelis could have > killed him any time they wanted, so why now? I had > gotten the > impression a while back that Arafat no longer had > much control over > the terrorist factions, or at least that's what > Israel believed. > There doesn't s

Re: It seems over...

2004-11-04 Thread Warren Ockrassa
On Nov 3, 2004, at 9:53 PM, Dan Minette wrote: [me] How about a lack of pedantry? I don't particularly care for JDG's condescending tone when addressing us mere mortals, and as I have a life, I can't say that I've been particularly seeking out every single pearl of wisdom dropped before my snout by

Re: Drudge: HimmlerCroft to Resign!!

2004-11-04 Thread Gautam Mukunda
--- Dave Land <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Nov 3, 2004, at 11:01 PM, The Fool wrote: > > > "I even take the position that sexual orgies > eliminate social tensions > > and ought to be encouraged," > > --Antonin Scalia (Supreme Court Member) > > Date? Context? It was a joke he made during a H

Re: Arafat dead?

2004-11-04 Thread Bryon Daly
On Thu, 4 Nov 2004 09:05:38 -0800 (PST), Damon Agretto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I suspect Mossad... Why? Failing health at 75 isn't so unusal. The Israelis could have killed him any time they wanted, so why now? I had gotten the impression a while back that Arafat no longer had much cont

Re: Brin: An inital note about the teen-rmath

2004-11-04 Thread Travis Edmunds
David Brin wrote: Actually, it's tang soo do (Korean) karate. Less heavy contact, more like a dance. Kids, esp girls like that better. If she's interested in the dance aspect of martial arts then I would suggest at least a cursory look at the Brazilian art known as Capoeira. The following is a

2 line joke

2004-11-04 Thread MironMurcury
To good to keep to myself :) After Kerry Concedes, Bush Cites 'A Duty to Serve All Americans' "IT'S A COOK BOOK!!!" Walt screams via email. Yours, Murcury, Messenger of good humors ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l

Re: Own a replica of an Intl. Space Station module...

2004-11-04 Thread Dave Land
On Nov 4, 2004, at 8:13 AM, Gary Nunn wrote: Only, $1,650,000.00 (US) ...this full-scale museum replica of the U.S. Laboratory Module Destiny is constructed with amazing attention to detail including an observation window with a flat panel screen with earth views, an astronaut sleeping cabin wi

Re: Scouted: Salon: Trapped in the Echo Chamber

2004-11-04 Thread The Fool
> From: Dave Land <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Folks, > > Lefty writer Andrew Leonard "survey[s] the wreckage of the lefty > blogosphere" in the wake of the election > (http://www.salon.com/tech/col/leon/2004/11/03/echo_chamber/) and > raises warnings about the risks of spending too much time in th

Re: Drudge: HimmlerCroft to Resign!!

2004-11-04 Thread Dave Land
On Nov 4, 2004, at 2:41 AM, Martin Lewis wrote: On Thu, 4 Nov 2004 00:05:45 -0800, Dave Land <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: "I even take the position that sexual orgies eliminate social tensions and ought to be encouraged," --Antonin Scalia (Supreme Court Member) Date? Context? An address to Harvar

Re: The Magic Ingredient?

2004-11-04 Thread Dan Minette
- Original Message - From: "Dave Land" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Killer Bs Discussion" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2004 1:38 AM Subject: The Magic Ingredient? > Folks, > > The secret weapon of the neo-conservative movement is > self-righteousness. > > Pick a /behavio

Re: Arafat dead?

2004-11-04 Thread Damon Agretto
I suspect Mossad... This leads to the natural question...what next? Was Arafat truely in control? Who will take over? Or was he more a brake on the excesses of some of his PLO members and people? Damon. = Damon Agretto [EMAIL PROT

Arafat dead?

2004-11-04 Thread Travis Edmunds
http://www.news24.com/News24/World/News/0,,2-10-1462_1616207,00.html Arafat 'brain dead' - Israeli TV 04/11/2004 18:33 - (SA) Paris - Palestinain leader Yasser Arafat has been declared brain dead, reports Israeli TV, citing French sources. Earlier on Thursday, a French medical source told AFP th

Roman Skin Cream

2004-11-04 Thread Travis Edmunds
http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/medicalnews.php?newsid=15884 04 Nov 2004 Ancient Roman women had beautiful skin, apparently, they had a foundation skin cream which until recently, no one knew how to reproduce. Researchers at the University of Bristol, UK, have recreated the 2000 year old cosmetic

Re: It seems over...

2004-11-04 Thread kerri miller
--- Russell Chapman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > (especially to a citizen of a country where voting is compulsory...) >From what I understand, if you don't vote you just have to say "Oh, I was sick" or you face a $15AU fine? __ Do you Yahoo!? C

Re: It seems over...

2004-11-04 Thread kerri miller
--- JDG <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > At 05:08 PM 11/3/2004 -0800 kerri miller wrote: > >> Meanwhile, Kerry spoke consistently of a "global test", > > > >I only heard it once from him... but endlessly from people on the Right > who > >willfully misunderstood or misrepresented what he said. > > Wh

Own a replica of an Intl. Space Station module...

2004-11-04 Thread Gary Nunn
Only, $1,650,000.00 (US) ...this full-scale museum replica of the U.S. Laboratory Module Destiny is constructed with amazing attention to detail including an observation window with a flat panel screen with earth views, an astronaut sleeping cabin with sleeping bag, a treadmill just like the on

Re: Iraq civilian casualties.

2004-11-04 Thread Nick Arnett
Dan Minette wrote: I have read about a recent study on the number of civilian deaths during the last year in Iraq. The methodology seems, on paper, capable of providing at least order of magnitude accuracy (i.e. differentiating to within at least a factor of 2). It reports at least 100k civilian

Re: Iraq civilian casualties.

2004-11-04 Thread Martin Lewis
On Thu, 4 Nov 2004 08:51:28 -0600, Dan Minette <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I have read about a recent study on the number of civilian deaths during > the last year in Iraq. This is the Lancet study Dan is refering to: http://image.thelancet.com/extras/04art10342web.pdf > The methodology see

Iraq civilian casualties.

2004-11-04 Thread Dan Minette
I have read about a recent study on the number of civilian deaths during the last year in Iraq. The methodology seems, on paper, capable of providing at least order of magnitude accuracy (i.e. differentiating to within at least a factor of 2). It reports at least 100k civilian deaths in Iraq sinc

Re: It seems over...

2004-11-04 Thread John D. Giorgis
At 08:36 PM 11/3/2004 -0800 Gautam Mukunda wrote: >--- Russell Chapman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Did I understand the bit about the number of voters >> right? >> I got the impression that John Kerry got more votes >> in this election >> than any president in the history of the USA ever >> got?

Re: Science Fiction and Elections

2004-11-04 Thread G. D. Akin
Alberto Monteiro wrote > G. D. Akin wrote: > > > >> And in RAH's Future History, the USA becomes a religious dictatorship > >> by 2012 > > > > Is that "If This Goes On . . ." > > > No, "If This Goes On..." is the Fall of the Dictatorship. The Rise > of the Dictatorship is something like "The Sou

Re: It seems over...

2004-11-04 Thread Martin Lewis
On Wed, 03 Nov 2004 19:13:52 -0500, John D. Giorgis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > 5) The Economy - ABC reported today that the economy issue broke for Mr. > Bush, even in Ohio - presuming that you believe those exit polls. Tihs > further highlights the fact that despite what you may hear from Paul

Re: Drudge: HimmlerCroft to Resign!!

2004-11-04 Thread Martin Lewis
On Thu, 4 Nov 2004 00:05:45 -0800, Dave Land <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > "I even take the position that sexual orgies eliminate social tensions > > and ought to be encouraged," > > --Antonin Scalia (Supreme Court Member) > > Date? Context? An address to Harvard students: http://www.guardi

Re: It seems over...

2004-11-04 Thread Bryon Daly
On Wed, 3 Nov 2004 21:59:28 -0700, Warren Ockrassa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > When was the last time a president was really a man of the people, as > opposed to someone ludicrously rich, born to privilege, and utterly out > of touch with workaday realities? Clinton doesn't count? While cert

Re: Drudge: HimmlerCroft to Resign!!

2004-11-04 Thread Dave Land
On Nov 3, 2004, at 11:01 PM, The Fool wrote: "I even take the position that sexual orgies eliminate social tensions and ought to be encouraged," --Antonin Scalia (Supreme Court Member) Date? Context? ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l

Re: It seems over...

2004-11-04 Thread Dave Land
On Nov 3, 2004, at 7:11 PM, Damon Agretto wrote: You live in an apartment complex. Your neighbour likes to blast his stereo. You meet with your other fellow tenants to discuss the matter. There's a wide range of opinions. Yours is to bust down the door and break his stereo equipment with a brick