Re: Permission Slips Re: Rhetorical Questions RE: RemovingDictators Re: PeacefulchangeL3

On Mon, 25 Apr 2005 22:43:27 -0400, JDG wrote > At 07:37 PM 4/25/2005 -0700, Dave Land wrote: > >> You are conflating two separate things: > >>a) "serious consideration of the opinions of other nations before > >> acting" > >> and > >>b) "agreement from other nations before acting" > > > >

Re: Abortion Cost-Benefit Analysis

On Apr 25, 2005, at 7:21 PM, JDG wrote: > At 09:03 PM 4/24/2005 -0700, Dave Land wrote: >> On Apr 24, 2005, at 6:50 PM, JDG wrote: >>> >>> To question at hand is whether it is moral to kill a [group of cells] >>> after conception. There are two possible arguments in favor of >>> this: >>> 1) T

Re: Rhetorical Questions RE: Removing Dictators Re: Peaceful change L3

On Apr 25, 2005, at 10:15 PM, Dan Minette wrote: - Original Message - From: "Frank Schmidt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> The US does not rule the world, the US is not a pappa, and the US is not a police force. The US is just the strongest nation today. An alliance of other nations can be stronger t

Re: Rhetorical Questions RE: Removing Dictators Re: Peaceful change L3

- Original Message - From: "Frank Schmidt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Killer Bs Discussion" Sent: Monday, April 25, 2005 4:36 PM Subject: Re: Rhetorical Questions RE: Removing Dictators Re: Peaceful change L3 > Dan: > >dland: > > > > Dan Wrote: > > > > > > >> On Apr 24, 2005, at 4:03 PM

Re: Rhetorical Questions RE: Removing Dictators Re: Peaceful change L3

- Original Message - From: "Dave Land" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Killer Bs Discussion" Sent: Monday, April 25, 2005 8:53 PM Subject: Re: Rhetorical Questions RE: Removing Dictators Re: Peaceful change L3 > In the final analysis, we're not that far apart. At the risk of being > consider

Re: Permission Slips Re: Rhetorical Questions RE: RemovingDictators Re: PeacefulchangeL3

- Original Message - From: "JDG" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Killer Bs Discussion" Sent: Monday, April 25, 2005 9:43 PM Subject: Re: Permission Slips Re: Rhetorical Questions RE: RemovingDictators Re: PeacefulchangeL3 > At 07:37 PM 4/25/2005 -0700, Dave Land wrote: > >> You are conflating

Re: Global do-gooder with trouble at home

On Apr 25, 2005, at 7:17 PM, JDG wrote: At 07:13 AM 4/25/2005 -0700, Nick Arnett wrote: We could choose to be in a position to stop all kinds of mass death. How much of it do we choose to be responsible for? How much are we willing to give up in order to maximize life? And speaking of codependency.

Re: RIAA resorts to extortion....

At 09:36 PM Monday 4/25/2005, Warren Ockrassa wrote: On Apr 25, 2005, at 7:28 PM, Gary Nunn wrote: Representatives from Comcast said they could not immediately comment on the lawsuit. Technically, "oh shit" *is* a comment. Though it may not necessarily be considered suitable for publication. -- Ro

Re: Permission Slips Re: Rhetorical Questions RE: RemovingDictators Re: PeacefulchangeL3

At 07:37 PM 4/25/2005 -0700, Dave Land wrote: >> You are conflating two separate things: >> a) "serious consideration of the opinions of other nations before >> acting" >> and >> b) "agreement from other nations before acting" > >"Tomayto, tomahto, potayto, potahto. Let's call the whole

The US and the DPRK Re: Rhetorical Questions RE: Removing Dictators Re: Peaceful change L3

At 09:01 PM 4/24/2005 -0700, Dave Land wrote: >> Now that we've let the DPRK gain nuclear weapons, > >Assuming, that is, that the US rules the world, and therefore is in a >position to "let" or "not let" nations like the DPRK gain nuclear weapons. The US is the most powerful country in the world.

DPRK Alternate History Re: Rhetorical Questions RE: Removing Dictators Re: Peaceful changeL3

Dan, You asked what I would have done, had I been in Bill Clinton's shoes I think that my first criticism of Clinton's greatest failure would not be his broad strategic decision to negotiate and cut and deal. Similar to your central criticism of George W. Bush in regards to Iraq, my first

Re: Abortion Cost-Benefit Analysis

At 09:03 PM 4/24/2005 -0700, Dave Land wrote: >On Apr 24, 2005, at 6:50 PM, JDG wrote: >> >>To question at hand is whether it is moral to kill a [group of cells] >>after conception. There are two possible arguments in favor of this: >> 1) The [group of cells] is not human life. >> 2) It is acc

Re: Global do-gooder with trouble at home

At 07:13 AM 4/25/2005 -0700, Nick Arnett wrote: >> We could choose to be in a position to stop all kinds of mass death. >> How much of it do we choose to be responsible for? How much are we >> willing to give up in order to maximize life? > >And speaking of codependency... as we focus increasingl

Galactic scripts.

Has anyone worked on what the various galactic languages look like in print? I have a theory that except for dots and dashes, there are no letters that could be either flipped or reversed. No dyslexia in the Civilization of the Four Galaxies. William Taylor

Re: Permission Slips Re: Rhetorical Questions RE: Removing Dictators Re: PeacefulchangeL3

On Apr 25, 2005, at 7:11 PM, JDG wrote: At 03:57 PM 4/25/2005 -0700, Dave Land wrote: Your question reminds me that the metaphors we choose have power. The president's use of the phrase "permission slip" in the state of the union address was carefully chosen to call up visions of the United States

Re: RIAA resorts to extortion....

On Apr 25, 2005, at 7:28 PM, Gary Nunn wrote: Representatives from Comcast said they could not immediately comment on the lawsuit. Technically, "oh shit" *is* a comment. -- Warren Ockrassa, Publisher/Editor, nightwares Books http://books.nightwares.com/ Current work in progress "The Seven-Year Mir

Orin Hatch: Automatically destroy PC's of people that download illegal music.

This is an older article that I ran across while reading the other article about the RIAA and copyrights... It's scary that there are people in power that are so willing to turn the US into a draconian state. Gary Orin Hatch: Automatically destroy PC's of people that download illegal music.

RIAA resorts to extortion....

Comcast Sued for Disclosing Customer Information Thu Apr 14, 2005 4:27 PM ET SEATTLE (Reuters) - Comcast Corp. , the top U.S. cable television network operator, is being sued by a Seattle-area woman for disclosing her name and contact information, court records showed on Thursday. In a lawsui

Permission Slips Re: Rhetorical Questions RE: Removing Dictators Re: PeacefulchangeL3

At 03:57 PM 4/25/2005 -0700, Dave Land wrote: >Your question reminds me that the metaphors we choose have power. The >president's use of the phrase "permission slip" in the state of the >union address was carefully chosen to call up visions of the United >States as a child, having to go begging som

Re: Rhetorical Questions RE: Removing Dictators Re: Peaceful change L3

On Apr 25, 2005, at 5:50 PM, Dan Minette wrote: So, if your argument is that Bush tends to be pigheaded and plow ahead without regard to other views when he is certain, then I will agree. But, if it that, for the US to properly consider the views of other nations, that it must give veto rights over

Re: Rhetorical Questions RE: Removing Dictators Re: Peaceful change L3

- Original Message - From: "Dave Land" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Killer Bs Discussion" Sent: Monday, April 25, 2005 5:57 PM Subject: Re: Rhetorical Questions RE: Removing Dictators Re: Peaceful change L3 > Your question reminds me that the metaphors we choose have power. The > president

Re: US voting reform idea

Erik Reuter wrote: > > The electors themselves are mostly irrelevant (although they could > conceivably suprise someday) but the Electoral College itself does > have some interesting properties as compared to a straight majority > vote: > > > > > From the Archive: Math Against Tyranny > By Will Hiv

Re: Abortion Cost-Benefit Analysis

Julia Thompson wrote: > Warren Ockrassa wrote: >> On Apr 25, 2005, at 8:20 AM, Julia Thompson wrote: >> >>> I know of someone who had had more than one baby the first time >>> around and was having an early ultrasound after she'd discovered >>> she was pregnant a second time. The first ultrasound

Re: Rhetorical Questions RE: Removing Dictators Re: Peaceful change L3

On Apr 25, 2005, at 3:16 PM, Dan Minette wrote: OK, I never meant to advance the criminal justice model for international relationships. I was merely pointing out a counter example to the notion that interfering with the actions of another country presupposes that the leaders of the other country

Re: US voting reform idea

* Frank Schmidt ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > However, the fact that no system is perfect doesn't mean no system is > better than the current one. Who claimed otherwise? The problem is with deciding criteria. You didn't explain what criteria you were using to decide what is "better", and why. > A

Re: US voting reform idea

> There has been a great deal of work on voting > science over the past ~200 years. Unfortunately, > the conclusions are "it depends". Is the system > you describe better than the current system? It > depends on what is considered important. > > Here is a summary of vote aggregation methods and >

Re: Rhetorical Questions RE: Removing Dictators Re: Peaceful change L3

- Original Message - From: "Dave Land" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Killer Bs Discussion" Sent: Monday, April 25, 2005 5:11 PM Subject: Re: Rhetorical Questions RE: Removing Dictators Re: Peaceful change L3 > On Apr 25, 2005, at 2:30 PM, Nick Arnett wrote: > > > On Mon, 25 Apr 2005 13:32:3

Re: Rhetorical Questions RE: Removing Dictators Re: Peaceful change L3

On Apr 25, 2005, at 2:30 PM, Nick Arnett wrote: On Mon, 25 Apr 2005 13:32:37 -0500, Dan Minette wrote Preventing someone from causing grave harm to us and our allies is not codependant behavior. Of course. But how do we decide that someone is about to cause grave harm? That's the hard question, n

Re: Rhetorical Questions RE: Removing Dictators Re: Peaceful change L3

Dan: >dland: > > Dan Wrote: > > > > >> On Apr 24, 2005, at 4:03 PM, JDG wrote: > > >> > > >> > Now that we've let the DPRK gain nuclear weapons, > > >> > > >> Assuming, that is, that the US rules the world, and > > >> therefore is in a position to "let" or "not let" > > >> nations like the DPRK g

Re: Rhetorical Questions RE: Removing Dictators Re: Peaceful change L3

On Mon, 25 Apr 2005 13:32:37 -0500, Dan Minette wrote > We are lucky in that we can collectively, within the nation, intervene > with professionals by calling 911 in those cases or reporting suspected > abuse to authorities. I think Dave's point was that you can't solve somebody else's problem

Re: Rhetorical Questions RE: Removing Dictators Re: Peaceful change L3

I wonder if people forget that China is just next door to North Korea, and that they even have an alliance. Not that the Chinese like Kim Jong Il so much, but they'd never tolerate an invasion like the US did in Afghanistan or Iraq. However the Chinese might topple Kim Jong Il themselves if the USA

Re: Close, but not yet...

On Apr 25, 2005, at 12:41 PM, Maru Dubshinki wrote: On 4/25/05, Warren Ockrassa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: So what would be the way to prevent that mapping from working? It seemed obvious to me: A one-time pad. One-time pads are used to scramble a coded message and are then discarded (hence their

Re: Close, but not yet...

On 4/25/05, Warren Ockrassa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > This intrigues me because of something in my WIP, _The Seven-Year > Mirror_ -- one of the subplots involves using schizophrenics as > information couriers. The reason is pretty simple. In the 2K+ > -year-distant future there's a sophisticate

Re: Rhetorical Questions RE: Removing Dictators Re: Peaceful change L3

- Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Killer Bs Discussion" Sent: Monday, April 25, 2005 12:57 AM Subject: Re: Rhetorical Questions RE: Removing Dictators Re: Peaceful change L3 > Dan, et al, > > OK, I wrote the whole message below, then realized that I'm getting way > to

Re: Abortion Cost-Benefit Analysis

On Apr 25, 2005, at 10:28 AM, Julia Thompson wrote: Warren Ockrassa wrote: On Apr 25, 2005, at 8:20 AM, Julia Thompson wrote: I know of someone who had had more than one baby the first time around and was having an early ultrasound after she'd discovered she was pregnant a second time. The first

Close, but not yet...

The article describes new inroads into electronically sensing what human brains are perceiving. There's quite a lot of sensationalistic language to it, and not much substance IMO, but there are a couple of interesting passages to me: "The pair

Re: Abortion Cost-Benefit Analysis

Warren Ockrassa wrote: On Apr 25, 2005, at 8:20 AM, Julia Thompson wrote: I know of someone who had had more than one baby the first time around and was having an early ultrasound after she'd discovered she was pregnant a second time. The first ultrasound revealed 2 fetuses, but only 1 heartbea

Re: Abortion Cost-Benefit Analysis

On Apr 25, 2005, at 9:52 AM, Nick Arnett wrote: On Mon, 25 Apr 2005 09:45:25 -0700, Warren Ockrassa wrote Fratricide, infanticide and cannibalism are serious crimes. I say we try the offender as an adult and don't hold back on the death penalty if there's a guilty verdict. That's only sensible, rig

Re: Abortion Cost-Benefit Analysis

On Mon, 25 Apr 2005 09:45:25 -0700, Warren Ockrassa wrote > Fratricide, infanticide and cannibalism are serious crimes. I say we > try the offender as an adult and don't hold back on the death > penalty if there's a guilty verdict. > > That's only sensible, right? If ever there were a message

Re: Abortion Cost-Benefit Analysis

On Apr 25, 2005, at 8:20 AM, Julia Thompson wrote: Ronn!Blankenship wrote: At 06:11 PM Sunday 4/24/2005, JDG wrote: At 11:59 AM 4/15/2005 -0400, Max wrote: >JDG wrote: > > Let's connect the dots: >> >> -human life begins at conception > >This is scientifically debateable. Really? This would requ

Re: Abortion Cost-Benefit Analysis

Ronn!Blankenship wrote: At 06:11 PM Sunday 4/24/2005, JDG wrote: At 11:59 AM 4/15/2005 -0400, Max wrote: >JDG wrote: > > Let's connect the dots: >> >> -human life begins at conception > >This is scientifically debateable. Really? This would require the [group of cells] to be something other than

Global do-gooder with trouble at home

On Sun, 24 Apr 2005 22:57:05 -0700 (PDT), dland wrote > We could choose to be in a position to stop all kinds of mass death. > How much of it do we choose to be responsible for? How much are we > willing to give up in order to maximize life? And speaking of codependency... as we focus increasin

Hope (was Re: What Social Security...)

On Sun, 24 Apr 2005 19:42:51 -0400, JDG wrote > And that's an important point, retirement should be planned-for > today by choosing to forego a certain amount of consumption and > investing that capital to build a stockpile for funding one's > retirement annuity.The current system of just h