RE: Orwell quotation

2005-05-31 Thread Kevin Street
> John Horn wrote: > > Just remember to change the subject to start with "Brin:" as Dr. > Brin filters the list and only reads those posts that start with > that string. Thanks for the reminder! I totally forgot. Kevin Street -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus

Re: a special holocene gathering Wednesday 3pm

2005-05-31 Thread Medievalbk
In a message dated 5/31/2005 8:06:57 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Naturally, it is come-if-convenient. Drop by if you happen to be around and free and able... thanks! david brin I am reminded of a bit from the World of Beachcomber. Male voice: I'm free a

Re: Orwell quotation

2005-05-31 Thread Doug Pensinger
Leonard wrote: Does "Killer Bs Discussion" have an orthodoxy? (or isn't anybody allowed to ask the question?) All is Brin. -- Doug ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l

Welcome Re: more thread suggestions

2005-05-31 Thread Kanandarqu
Leonard wrote >I'm a health care professional in North Carolina and >MAN the demographics are monster! I tell all my >grumbling redneck staff who say ,"those people >otter larn to speek 'merican" that "money talks and >BS walks" Cater to these folks, show them respect >and they will spend the

Re: Scouted: Having Fun With Intelligent Design

2005-05-31 Thread Leonard Matusik
I want to bank on "divine-selection" favoring strong pair bonding as the motive. Coupled with a high desire for sexual novalty, further strengthes the case that A)God is a comedienne or B)God has no gender Leonard Matusik -<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Maru Dubshinki <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:Tue, 31 M

Re: Scouted: Having Fun With Intelligent Design

2005-05-31 Thread Ronn!Blankenship
At 08:31 PM Tuesday 5/31/2005, Maru Dubshinki wrote: Consider: the expense for a male of sex (just the act) is neglible, almost non-existent. Not so for a female; if from an evolutionary perspective, the sex suceeds, that leads to one hell of an expense, esp. for a human (15 or so years of chil

Re: Orwell quotation

2005-05-31 Thread Leonard Matusik
Uh, actually David.. I take the position that most people, including myself, are "full of crap" (meaning they operate from a relatively large deficit of self-knowlege, their motives are flawed, their meanings unclear). I am, of course, very oriented toward the views of Dr. Carl Rogers in this m

Re: Will someone, anyone please explain to me..........

2005-05-31 Thread Maru Dubshinki
On 5/31/05, Leonard Matusik <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > None taken Warren, I was smiling when I sent it (not smirking either!) > > I'm sort of interested in a scenario where the next Thomas Edison(s) pop up > in places other than the USA. Technical (bio or otherwise) renders US > "superiority"

Re: Scouted: Having Fun With Intelligent Design

2005-05-31 Thread Maru Dubshinki
On 5/23/05, Dave Land <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Folks, > > Today at lunch, Nick and I were reading reading selections from "The Art > of Peace" by Morihei Ueshiba, the founder of Aikido. It is a tiny book > that contains 100-some sayings excerpted from Master Ueshiba's writings. > Among them is

Re: Will someone, anyone please explain to me..........

2005-05-31 Thread Leonard Matusik
None taken Warren, I was smiling when I sent it (not smirking either!) I'm sort of interested in a scenario where the next Thomas Edison(s) pop up in places other than the USA. Technical (bio or otherwise) renders US "superiority" obsolete. Consider the harware and info, both new and surplus,

brin-l-books update

2005-05-31 Thread William T Goodall
The ongoing project for brin-l listees to rate books based on the unproved notion that we might have similar tastes :) This year's Hugo nominated novels have been added to the database. There are 811 books in the database and 1948 book ratings so far. The site has been updated so as to not r

Re: Will someone, anyone please explain to me..........

2005-05-31 Thread Warren Ockrassa
On May 31, 2005, at 5:20 PM, Leonard Matusik wrote: Ah yes Never mind then. sorry I shall look for another list to bother with those things. Now now, don't take personal offense where none was intended. There'll be plenty of opportunity for that later. What kinds of futurist scenario

Re: Will someone, anyone please explain to me..........

2005-05-31 Thread Leonard Matusik
Ah yes Never mind then. sorry I shall look for another list to bother with those things. In the mean time, I shall do my best to behave on this one. thanks... ok ... Leonard Matusik [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dave Land <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:Tue, 31 May 2005 13:11:40 -0700 The only ones to w

Re: The French Say "Non!"

2005-05-31 Thread Robert Seeberger
- Original Message - From: "Dave Land" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Killer Bs Discussion" Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2005 3:19 PM Subject: Re: The French Say "Non!" > On May 31, 2005, at 11:38 AM, Warren Ockrassa wrote: > >> Yeah. What I've been missing in the flurry of coverage is the >> act

Re: more thread suggestions

2005-05-31 Thread Warren Ockrassa
On May 31, 2005, at 12:15 PM, kerri miller wrote: On Karma.. you don't "owe", but there are repurcussions to the forces you exhert, yes? Sure -- volitional action has effect. That doesn't mean, however, that there's some kind of "battery" that's storing "energy" of some sort or other. --

Re: Orwell quotation

2005-05-31 Thread Warren Ockrassa
On May 31, 2005, at 1:22 PM, Dave Land wrote: If you think Dr. Brin's post (or anyone else's) is full of crap, you are certainly free to try to prove it or provide a demonstrably better alternative view. Politely, though. As much as possible. ;) -- Warren Ockrassa, Publisher/Editor, nightwa

Re: Will someone, anyone please explain to me..........

2005-05-31 Thread Damon Agretto
...how and when has this list has ever participated in "carefull thought experiments about plausable tomorrows". I've been getting the fruit of this list for several months and all I ever see the members do is complain about today. If there is somebody, ANYBODY interested in extrapolating the

RE: Orwell quotation

2005-05-31 Thread Horn, John
> Behalf Of Dave Land > > On May 31, 2005, at 7:33 AM, Leonard Matusik wrote: > > > Does "Killer Bs Discussion" have an orthodoxy? (or isn't anybody > > allowed > > to ask the question?) > > No orthodoxy: ask away. > > If you think Dr. Brin's post (or anyone else's) is full of > crap, you are

Re: Orwell quotation

2005-05-31 Thread Dave Land
On May 31, 2005, at 7:33 AM, Leonard Matusik wrote: Does "Killer Bs Discussion" have an orthodoxy? (or isn't anybody allowed to ask the question?) No orthodoxy: ask away. If you think Dr. Brin's post (or anyone else's) is full of crap, you are certainly free to try to prove it or provide a d

Re: The French Say "Non!"

2005-05-31 Thread Dave Land
On May 31, 2005, at 11:38 AM, Warren Ockrassa wrote: Yeah. What I've been missing in the flurry of coverage is the actual constitution itself. Anyone have a link handy to the text of the document? http://europa.eu.int/constitution/index_en.htm Available in 21 languages. Dave ___

Re: Will someone, anyone please explain to me..........

2005-05-31 Thread Dave Land
On May 29, 2005, at 6:29 AM, Leonard Matusik wrote: ...how and when has this list has ever participated in "carefull thought experiments about plausable tomorrows". This list is a community of people who are interested in the writings of David Brin and his fellow "Killer Bees" -- Gregory Ben

Re: Islamic Neocons

2005-05-31 Thread Trent Shipley
Depends on what you mean by Neocon. Wahhabism is a very literalist approach to Islam and has had a radical influence on global Islam in the late 20th and early 21st centuries AD. There are some weak parallels with literalist North American approaches to Evangelical Protestant Christianity.

Re: more thread suggestions

2005-05-31 Thread kerri miller
--- Warren Ockrassa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On May 29, 2005, at 7:41 AM, Leonard Matusik wrote: > > > 2) what is the deal with this new trade agreement between India and > > China? Is it there any substance to it? What effect will the mere > > symbolism have? Should I learn to speak chin

Re: more thread suggestions

2005-05-31 Thread Warren Ockrassa
On May 29, 2005, at 7:41 AM, Leonard Matusik wrote: 2) what is the deal with this new trade agreement between India and China? Is it there any substance to it? What effect will the mere symbolism have? Should I learn to speak chinese as much as I need to learn to speak spanish? What power

Re: Orwell quotation

2005-05-31 Thread Warren Ockrassa
On May 28, 2005, at 4:16 PM, d.brin wrote: Good seeing some of you at the excellent FiRe Conference. I have an article in a new book of critical essays about George Orwell. But the following is cribbed from a recent speech by Bill Moyers. Frankly, I do not always find him "on". [...] "Wi

Re: The French Say "Non!"

2005-05-31 Thread Warren Ockrassa
On May 29, 2005, at 5:09 PM, Robert G. Seeberger wrote: I'm sure most of you ran across the news that the French rejected the Euro constitution. Yeah. What I've been missing in the flurry of coverage is the actual constitution itself. Anyone have a link handy to the text of the document?

Re: Intel quietly Adds Palladium DRM and Backdoor Networking to New Processors

2005-05-31 Thread Warren Ockrassa
On May 28, 2005, at 7:52 PM, kerri miller wrote: "We all know our [operating system] friends don't crash that often, but it does happen," Tucker said. Oh, that's priceless. Huh. This "Tucker" character obviously uses Linux. Or Mac. -- Warren Ockrassa, Publisher/Editor, nightwares Books h

Re: more thread suggestions

2005-05-31 Thread kerri miller
> 3) and what about the huge sudden influx of spanish speakers to the > US? Sudden? Been happening more or less at a steady rate. Immigration applications were down for the past 2-3 years (although they recently spiked back upwards the first few months of this year, reportedly) > I'm a h

re: kingdom of heaven/this chickenshit era we live in.....

2005-05-31 Thread kerri miller
> It's just shocking to me that folks can mobilize the huge amounts of > capital to produce some of the low grade pond scum out there. (for peace > sake, I shall not name names; "just use the Farce Luke") > Especially when the is so much GOOD STUFF out there that hasn't been > tapped. > LIKE "Upl

Re: Brin: Re: old style conservatives\the white mans burden

2005-05-31 Thread David Brin
Atrocious. I commented right after your full and complete remark, which was right above. Your claims of victimization are as credible as the president's. --- Leonard Matusik <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I guess my comments would be rather > incommprehensible, if you're going to cut them away >

Re: Orwell quotation

2005-05-31 Thread Leonard Matusik
Does "Killer Bs Discussion" have an orthodoxy? (or isn't anybody allowed to ask the question?) "d.brin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 'Hear me: an unconscious people, an indoctrinated people, a people fed only partisan information and opinion that confirm their own bias, a people made morbidly obe

Islamic Neocons

2005-05-31 Thread Leonard Matusik
Anybody smarter than me see any paralleles between what happened in Saudi Arabia with Whahabi-Whatis Islam and the Neocom movement in the US? -Leonard Matusik RN/MSN - Yahoo! Mail Stay connected, organized, and protected. Take the tour _

re: kingdom of heaven/this chickenshit era we live in.....

2005-05-31 Thread Leonard Matusik
> d.brin wrote: > > KINGDOM of HEAVEN may not have the world's most stunning script, but > it is very evocative and the big battle is simply fantastic. A real > breakthrough. You really felt you were there. > > Get a ticket before it vanishes! Support originality. Kevin Street wrote: I saw w

more thread suggestions

2005-05-31 Thread Leonard Matusik
- Unprocessed: 2) what is the deal with this new trade agreement between India and China? Is it there any substance to it? What effect will the mere symbolism have? Should I learn to speak chinese as much as I need to learn to speak spanish? What power could a NAFTA-like allience composed o

Will someone, anyone please explain to me..........

2005-05-31 Thread Leonard Matusik
...how and when has this list has ever participated in "carefull thought experiments about plausable tomorrows". I've been getting the fruit of this list for several months and all I ever see the members do is complain about today. If there is somebody, ANYBODY interested in extrapolating the f

Re: Brin: Re: appealing to old style conservatives\a monopoly on nukes

2005-05-31 Thread Leonard Matusik
My dear Mr. Pensinger, It would seem to me that those capable of most effectively deploying nukes have a "monopoly on nukes". A nuke sitting in my basement is hardly a threat to anyone but me. I would confess to being somewhat ignorant at the latest delivery technologies employed by our "friend

Re: Brin: Re: old style conservatives\the white mans burden

2005-05-31 Thread Leonard Matusik
I guess my comments would be rather incommprehensible, if you're going to cut them away from the thread they were attached to. (how rude and self serving) I be happy to discuss the topic. If, of course, you'd like to get beyond looking at me like a bug through a microscope. But Hell, it is yo

Re: Re: See Kingdom of Heaven

2005-05-31 Thread Johan Huizinga Gottingen
I cannot support your opinions about "Kingdom of Heaven". Perhaps I was expecting too much, perhaps I'm too critic when I see a script that is not exactly well written or when I discovered too many historical errors, but I don't like this movie, specially the main character. He is some kind of dem

Re: The French Say "Non!"

2005-05-31 Thread Frank Schmidt
> I'm sure most of you ran across the news that the French rejected > the Euro constitution. > > How do you think this will effect the US? It won't have a direct effect. But the US reaction to it will. > Do you think this will torpedo the EU? That depends on how the other states vote. At firs

Re: Friend of Wes on NBC Today show

2005-05-31 Thread Nick Arnett
On Sun, 29 May 2005 00:21:49 -0700, Nick Arnett wrote > Wes' dad called tonight to say that a friend of his will be talking > about him on the Today show Sunday morning from the Nimitz. Just > checked listings... the show is on at 5 a.m. here! Managed to program the VCR. They were aboard the K

Re: See Kingdom of Heaven

2005-05-31 Thread Medievalbk
In a message dated 5/30/2005 10:49:49 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: And really well done - great balance, and a clever separation of the good guys and the bad guys. Which aint got nuttin to do with religion. See it for the one fact that unlike Return of the K

RE: See Kingdom of Heaven

2005-05-31 Thread Kevin Street
> d.brin wrote: > > KINGDOM of HEAVEN may not have the world's most stunning script, but > it is very evocative and the big battle is simply fantastic. A real > breakthrough. You really felt you were there. > > Get a ticket before it vanishes! Support originality. I saw when it first came ou

Re: See Kingdom of Heaven

2005-05-31 Thread G. D. Akin
d.brin suggested > > > It's almost out of theaters and this is one you really have to see on > the wide screen. It's not Ridley Scott's best film, but it is by far > his most vivid - and that's saying a lot. > > Entering the theater, I passed posters for "Bewitched", "Mr & Mrs > Smith", "Zor

RE: Star Wars Episode 0

2005-05-31 Thread Kevin Street
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Travis Edmunds Sent: Sunday, May 29, 2005 12:46 PM > > Kevin Street wrote: > > > > Heh. :-) Yes, Star Wars is science fantasy or whatever. But it's close > > enough to be entertaining. > > Travis Edmunds wro