On 12/04/2006, at 4:18 AM, Dan Minette wrote:
If one is Christian, then the Incarnate Word of God (Jesus) has the
greatest
authority.
Precisely what I was taught.
I never met someone who was really a literalist
concerning the whole of scriptures.they just don't count their
non-litera
On 12/04/2006, at 3:55 AM, Dan Minette wrote:
Non-fundamentalists Protestants (including a number of Evangelical
Christians I know) agree that inspiration is not dictation. One
common
theme, which I think you agree with, is that literalism puts God in
a box
that is far too small.
That I
On 12/04/2006, at 1:57 AM, Nick Arnett wrote:
I have discussed religion with a
number of Lutherans other than Nick (mainly Germanic Europeans,
either in Cyprus or in Australia), and all bar one of those still
practicing that I have met in the flesh (so 6 or 7) are biblical
literalists.
Are y
On 12/04/2006, at 1:31 AM, Dave Land wrote:
One view -- a minority view in Christianity -- is that the Bible
is a human product, not a divine one.
Or that it is a divine one but with the errors inherent in human
transcription, which is a similar but distinct position to the one
that yo
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> Dan wrote:
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> > While conservation policies would have some effect,
On 4/11/06, Dan Minette <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> > I didn't say that poverty results in or correlates to terrorism. It's
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> > that simple.
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> But without correlation, then it's hard to identify it as a major cause.
I don't think you're following me. I didn't say that poverty is a
Dan wrote:
While conservation policies would have some effect, one can see a much
better correlation between changes in prices and changes in oil usage
than in governmental policies and the use of oil.
In the eight years following Carter's "moral equivelent of war", during a
period of econo
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Nick Arnett wrote:
> Plenty of Christians go astray by worshiping the Bible.
I suppose I get kinda wierd on this subject. But I agree with Nick's
statement above.
IMO, the study of Man and the study of the Universe are much more
important than the study of the Bible and are much more likely to
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> So how do you decide which parts of scripture to follow and which
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> One view -- a minority view in Christianity -- is that the Bible is
> a hum
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> >> No, that's not obvious at all.
Nick wrote:
I wrote:
No, that's not obvious at all. I'm pretty sure that many of his
recruits
are middle/upper income types. I would argue that it is the wealth of
the region that stimulates terrorism and that if the Middle East was
economically and politically irrelevant there would be
On 4/11/06, Charlie Bell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> I have discussed religion with a
> number of Lutherans other than Nick (mainly Germanic Europeans,
> either in Cyprus or in Australia), and all bar one of those still
> practicing that I have met in the flesh (so 6 or 7) are biblical
> liter
On 4/11/06, Dan Minette <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> Supporting that, we don't have a major concern with Bangladesh terrorists
> or
> Zambian terrorists (two countries that have been poor for a long time).
I didn't say that poverty results in or correlates to terrorism. It's not
that simpl
On 4/11/06, Doug Pensinger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> No, that's not obvious at all. I'm pretty sure that many of his recruits
> are middle/upper income types. I would argue that it is the wealth of the
> region that stimulates terrorism and that if the Middle East was
> economically and pol
On Apr 11, 2006, at 2:22 PM, Charlie Bell wrote:
On 11/04/2006, at 6:33 PM, Nick Arnett wrote:
He also seems to fail to recognize the difference between
irrational and
non-rational beliefs. And this statement, " Religious moderation
is just a
cherry-picking of scripture, ultimately," is ri
On 12/04/2006, at 12:33 AM, Ronn!Blankenship wrote:
Faith in a deity/deities/force/whatever is one thing. It's highly
personal. But faith in a book is something else, and that's where the
argument starts - if the book says one thing, but a follower
disagrees and does something else, where's the
At 04:22 PM Tuesday 4/11/2006, Charlie Bell wrote:
On 11/04/2006, at 6:33 PM, Nick Arnett wrote:
He also seems to fail to recognize the difference between
irrational and
non-rational beliefs. And this statement, " Religious moderation
is just a
cherry-picking of scripture, ultimately," is ri
On 11/04/2006, at 6:33 PM, Nick Arnett wrote:
He also seems to fail to recognize the difference between
irrational and
non-rational beliefs. And this statement, " Religious moderation
is just a
cherry-picking of scripture, ultimately," is ridiculous. It
implies that
fundamentalism is
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On Apr 11, 2006, at 11:36 AM, William T Goodall wrote:
On 11 Apr 2006, at 4:33PM, Nick Arnett wrote:
But
there's no doubt in my mind that I also choose my theology because
of my
political and social beliefs. They are inseparable and
intertwined, as I
suspect is true for people all over
On 11 Apr 2006, at 4:33PM, Nick Arnett wrote:
But
there's no doubt in my mind that I also choose my theology because
of my
political and social beliefs. They are inseparable and
intertwined, as I
suspect is true for people all over the world.
So religion is just believing whatever you f
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On Tue, 11 Apr 2006 08:33:08 -0700, Nick Arnett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
Isn't it blindingly obvious that the bin Ladens of this world find
followers because of the social and economic conditions where they
recruit?
No, that's not obvious at all. I'm pretty sure that many of his recruits
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> Harris argues that terrorists apparently aren't thinking about poverty
On 4/11/06, The Fool <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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For anyone who is wondering, as I was, who the heck Sam Harris is...
"With the publication of his 2004 New York Times bestseller, "The End of
Faith," a full-throttle attack on religion, S
If you ingore some minor gibberish about buddism:
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