> From: Julia Thompson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Charlie Bell wrote:
>
> > ... and second, the
> > maths of evolutionary genetics is against you - while direct chromosomal
> > inheritance goes down exponentially by generation, family tree goes up
> > exponentially by generation (to within populat
On 07/07/2006, at 4:20 AM, Robert Seeberger wrote:
Not 'til the full mitochondrial dna cladistic tree is created.
Since mitochondria are only inherited though the female side of ones
lineage, how would that show that we are all descended from one male?
Maybe I'm a bit slow today, but I don't
At 08:23 PM Thursday 7/6/2006, Alberto Vieira Ferreira Monteiro wrote:
David Hobby wrote:
>
> If so, one who wanted
> to prove that everybody was descended from a Eurasian of 5000 years
> ago would have to show that all of the native peoples of the Americas
> had picked up some European blood in
On Jul 4, 2006, at 7:28 PM, Robert G. Seeberger wrote:
"I just the other day got, an internet was sent by my staff at 10
o'clock in the morning on Friday and I just got it yesterday.
Once, I accidentally attached a folder full of images to an email
instead of just the one I intended to send...
Alberto Vieira Ferreira Monteiro wrote:
Julia Thompson wrote:
At the generation where you'd expect me to have 128 ancestors, I have
122. (There was a first-cousin marriage at one point, and a
second-cousin marriage at another. And on top of that, I know someone
whose closest degree of relation
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To: "Killer Bs Discussion"
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Subject: Re: Roots of human family tree are shallow
>
> Not 'til the full mitochondrial dna cladistic tree is created.
>
Since mitochondria are only inherited
Julia Thompson wrote:
>
> At the generation where you'd expect me to have 128 ancestors, I have
> 122. (There was a first-cousin marriage at one point, and a
> second-cousin marriage at another. And on top of that, I know someone
> whose closest degree of relation to me is third cousin -- but he'
David Hobby wrote:
>
> If so, one who wanted
> to prove that everybody was descended from a Eurasian of 5000 years
> ago would have to show that all of the native peoples of the Americas
> had picked up some European blood in 20 to 25 generations. Even
> tribes deep in the Amazon jungle...
>
Thos
At 07:01 PM Thursday 7/6/2006, Charlie Bell wrote:
On 07/07/2006, at 2:20 AM, David Hobby wrote:
But then why the
big argument when I pointed out in the first place that it
probably wasn't ALL humanity that was descended from one
individual in the recent past?
Missed out on commenting on t
Charlie Bell wrote:
... and second, the
maths of evolutionary genetics is against you - while direct chromosomal
inheritance goes down exponentially by generation, family tree goes up
exponentially by generation (to within population limits). Or do you
really think you had 2,147,483.648 *indi
On 07/07/2006, at 2:20 AM, David Hobby wrote:
But then why the
big argument when I pointed out in the first place that it
probably wasn't ALL humanity that was descended from one
individual in the recent past?
Missed out on commenting on this first time round...
Don't say such a thing in t
On 07/07/2006, at 2:20 AM, David Hobby wrote:
But it's genetic drift that CAUSES the inbreeding, isn't
it? (It's not the fall that kills, but the impact. : ) )
No. Inbreeding is a description of closed populations, such that
deleterious recessive alleles may become more frequent, and so
Charlie Bell wrote:
On 07/07/2006, at 12:55 AM, David Hobby wrote:
I'm not arguing against a figure of 10,000 years, that's a long time.
Alberto and others were pushing for a much lower figure, around 1000
years, for EVERYONE to share ancestry from some person who lived then.
Were they? I tho
On 07/07/2006, at 12:55 AM, David Hobby wrote:
I'm not arguing against a figure of 10,000 years, that's a long time.
Alberto and others were pushing for a much lower figure, around 1000
years, for EVERYONE to share ancestry from some person who lived then.
Were they? I thought the common ances
Charlie Bell wrote:
...
All it takes is one region, somewhere in the world, with negligible
cross-contamination probabilities. If this exists, people in the
middle of it will not be descendants of Genghis Khan, Charlemagne,
or whoever.
One small region that's managed to stay TOTALLY isolated
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From: "Doug Pensinger" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Killer Bs Discussion"
Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2006 12:23 PM
Subject: Re: SCOUTED: Bush is Not Incompetent
> On Thu, 06 Jul 2006 13:13:45 -, jdiebremse
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED],
>From the Bonehead Of The Day mailing list:
Internet For Dummies
What does it take to become the prestigious chairman of the Commerce,
Science and Transportation committee of the US Senate? Well,
technically, not much.
US Senator Ted Stevens (Alaska) speaking from personal experience
(along
I wrote:
how to
throw his
Or maybe if (s)he hears how the durable Barry Zito learned ^ big bender
(one of the major league's best) at 10 years old.
There are some stories that you should keep to yourself, methinks.
-
Jim wrote:
In all honesty, the biggest problem with youth pitching is the coaches
and/or parents of the kids. A 10-year-old who's eager to do well will
do whatever the adults tell him to do, and if he's taught a curve or
allowed to pitch too many innings early on, he's going to do whatever
he's
On 06/07/2006, at 10:37 PM, David Hobby wrote:
Sorry, there is too reason to doubt their numbers. The above
model sounds too simple and homogeneous. Even if such a model
incorporates geography, it still doesn't do better than guesswork
when it comes to the cross-contamination probabilities.
Alberto Monteiro wrote:
William T Goodall wrote:
Ok, so let's do the math. Let's create a simulation model,
splitting a human population of 1 Giga into 100-member
tribes [easy enough for modern computers], spread these tribes
all over the globe, create a rule of cross-contamination
[two neighbou
Dave Land wrote:
>I'd be more concerned with his elbow than my knees -- there is a lot
>of attention being paid to the damage that little league pitchers
>are doing to their joints.
Those occur generally as a result of three things: excessive throwing,
bad mechanics, and/or teaching kids breaking
On Jul 6, 2006, at 8:07 AM, Jim Sharkey wrote:
There are times when sharing hobbies creates a shudder elsewhere in
the household. I started teaching my eight-year-old son how to play
Magic:the Gathering about a year ago, and he's taken to it with the
kind of enthusiasm you'd expect from a boy h
Dan:
I think that your analysis is pretty close. Trying to label a person
always has to be done in context and no one is either a complete 10
or complete zero at anything. Our society wants to label everything
but the real world does not work that way, at least the natural
world. Computers
On Thu, 06 Jul 2006 13:13:45 -, jdiebremse <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Doug Pensinger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
But he didn't _run_ the campaign at all. He smiled, waved and read
canned speeches. Rove et al ran the campaign.
I won't pretend to have any real da
Dan M. wrote:
>
> I would tend to agree with this view, with some caveats. GWB gives every
> indication of "getting" the political process. I would not rate him
> at Karl Rove's or Bill Clinton's level of political strategy, but
> I'd put him well ahead of Kerry, Gore, and his own father. In
On 06/07/2006, at 5:16 PM, jdiebremse wrote:
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], "Robert Seeberger" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
Similarly, no one is stopping religious kids from gathering
together to pray at school.
This is not exactly true... although student religious groups do have
the legal right t
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> Behalf Of jdiebremse
> Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2006 8:14 AM
> To: Killer Bs Discussion
> Subject: Re: SCOUTED: Bush is Not Incompetent
>
> --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Doug Pensinger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
John Horn wrote:
>For father's day, the kids bought me my own GameBoy and Pokemon
>games so I could "play with them". It worked. Now I'm obsessed
>with "Getting Them ALL!!!"...
There are times when sharing hobbies creates a shudder elsewhere in
the household. I started teaching my eight-year
Long time lurker, occasional poster. I've been on the list since
around when "The Postman" came out, I believe. 1997? Gah, that
seems like a LONG time. Anyway, I'm 39, married, have 2 kids (one
with Asperger's Syndrome and the other born with a cleft lip and
palate). I'm a computer programmer
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], "Robert Seeberger" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> Similarly, no one is stopping religious kids from gathering
> together to pray at school.
This is not exactly true... although student religious groups do have
the legal right to meet at schools, at the local level, many sch
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Doug Pensinger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> But he didn't _run_ the campaign at all. He smiled, waved and read
> canned speeches. Rove et al ran the campaign.
I won't pretend to have any real day-to-day knowledge of how the
Bush '00 and Bush '04 campaigns were run. It
William T Goodall wrote:
>
>> Ok, so let's do the math. Let's create a simulation model,
>> splitting a human population of 1 Giga into 100-member
>> tribes [easy enough for modern computers], spread these tribes
>> all over the globe, create a rule of cross-contamination
>> [two neighbouring tribe
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